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03-21-2011, 06:55 PM
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Him missing the playoffs seemed expected. I used the Yzerman injury as a guideline for my expectations. That said, if this ends his career (crazy I know), it would be devastating for him and the Canucks. Putting this season aside, the long-term implications are the real concern here.

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03-21-2011, 07:29 PM
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Horrible.

Get well soon Malholtra.

and then put on a god damn visor.
If he does make a full recovery as we all hope, I wonder if he'll choose to wear one.

And all is not lost. We've played half the season without our best d-man (by far) in Edler.

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If he does make a full recovery as we all hope, I wonder if he'll choose to wear one.

And all is not lost. We've played half the season without our best d-man (by far) in Edler.
If he doesn't wear a visor once he returns, he is borderline retarded.

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03-21-2011, 07:46 PM
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If he doesn't wear a visor once he returns, he is borderline retarded.
Plus he might have to otherwise risk even more permanent damage. Does Ohlund wear a visor now?

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03-21-2011, 07:58 PM
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Is there a possiblity of a miracle comback for manny in the late late stages of playoffs?

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Is there a possiblity of a miracle comback for manny in the late late stages of playoffs?
I highly doubt it. At this point it would be a bit selfish hoping him to come back this season. He needs time to heal and I think that's the most important thing that has to happen now.

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03-21-2011, 08:04 PM
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Is there a possiblity of a miracle comback for manny in the late late stages of playoffs?
Considering how they worded the press release, no, I don't think there is any possibility. This is definitely a serious eye injury. I'm sure details will slowly come out over the next week, but this is obviously an if he comes back and not a when he comes back situation.

All of this over what I considered a cut over the eye. This has been a very sad time since that game. I hope Malhotra starts to feel better. I'm sure it would mean a lot for him and his family to hear some sort of positive news from the doctors and specialists.

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03-21-2011, 08:04 PM
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Damn you hockey gods!!! This wont make things easier. Bolduc better play some inspired hockey.

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03-21-2011, 08:34 PM
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Although Manny might not make a 100% recovery, I'm somewhat glad he's sitting this one out. Don't want to see him endangering his vision.

Canucks have a relatively large window IMO, and he's got at least 2-3 more years of great chances at the cup. Not to say we won't win it this year, because even without Manny we're still among the favourites.

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03-21-2011, 08:58 PM
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Goddammit. The hockey gods never tire of ******** on us when we're feeling good, do they?

Get well soon, Manny.

Dammit.

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03-21-2011, 09:15 PM
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I'm not surprised to hear that Malhotra will be out for the season. Obviously, this is a severe vision threatening injury with a very guarded prognosis. It makes my preliminary diagnosis of a ruptured globe injury even more likely as there may have been fleeting hope of return with any other diagnosis. Hockey should definitely take a back seat while his eye is treated.

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Just curious, what led you to this board if you don't follow the sport?
Google. My research interests are ocular trauma and patient education. I try to just read and not get involved, but I couldn't help myself because there was speculation about the diagnosis and recovery that didn't make medical sense. At the beginning, I was actually thinking of posting in a forum that belongs to the Vancouver Canucks, but people there seemed to be in serious denial that I didn't want to offer my opinion if it wasn't going to be taken seriously.

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Is this actually possible within a few weeks? I don't mean to sound insensitive towards Manny's injury, but I'm quite certain that IF he could somehow be back on the ice this season, he will be (short of risking blindness, mind you). So I suppose the question is, if he wore a full cage would he be able to undertake extreme physical activity without damaging his eye further? I know we talked a lot about fluid build up, is it possible to install a drainage device similar to what Ohlund had and play for a few more weeks?

If this were any normal season, I'm sure Manny would sit. But given that winning a Stanley Cup is every young Canadian hockey player's dream, and this is certainly the best chance he's ever had, I'd think he would be out there if he had some sort of opotion.

Can you discuss the possibility of this sort of return? Thanks.
As evidenced by the recent news, no it is not possible to return that soon. I guess I was thinking much further into the future, like a year from the injury. Drainage devices are implanted into the eye to reduce internal eye pressure and treat a disease called glaucoma. Malhotra may develop this eventually, but it would not be the most important issue right now. There is no such surgery to "drain swelling around the eye." Swelling goes down with rest and ice packs.

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Ah, thank you. So based on the distinction between a cornea laceration and scratched cornea I have a reasoned follow up question. You had localized a diagnosis to three possibilities, based on the information we had available.

Based on the three major categories you had outlined, is it possible that a scratched cornea (with Hyphema) could be a result that falls within the extremes of a 1) Retrobulbar Hemmorhage and 2) Orbital Canal Fracture? Just like a ruptured globe (due to cornea laceration) falls within the two extremes?

If this is the case, then the reports of surgery and excessive bleeding around the eye could be due to a scratched cornea, which carries with it far less dire implications than that of the ruptured globe diagnosis everyone is dreading.

Correct or am I out to lunch?
Your reasoning is off. A scratched cornea does not cause excessive bleeding around the eye. Also, it is not treated through surgery. The three possibilities I listed earlier (retrobulbar hemorrhage, optic canal fracture, and ruptured globe injury) are distinct diagnoses. They can occur together, but they are not subsets of each other.

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03-21-2011, 09:18 PM
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****ING hockey gods. WHY WHY. first the defense ANd now manny that can do it all, kills penalties/is a wizard on the faceoff dot. very classy guy, brings leadership on/off the ice. WIN it for manny!

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03-21-2011, 09:29 PM
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Google. My research interests are ocular trauma and patient education. I try to just read and not get involved, but I couldn't help myself because there was speculation about the diagnosis and recovery that didn't make medical sense. At the beginning, I was actually thinking of posting in a forum that belongs to the Vancouver Canucks, but people there seemed to be in serious denial that I didn't want to offer my opinion if it wasn't going to be taken seriously.
That sounds about right. We appreciate your insight here.

Being a fan of this team is not for atheists. There something or someone or some supernatural force out there that is going to do everything in its power to diminish our cup chances at every chance. It gets really hard to deny sometimes.

Best wishes to Malhotra. I know the guys will make sure the contender he left will still be there waiting for him whenever he comes back.

Hopefully this brings the guys a bit closer together and gives them the emotional rallying point they've lacked the past two seasons when dealing with adversity. I believe we have the depth to fill this void, but I just hope the PK doesn't go to **** the way it did last year.


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03-21-2011, 09:33 PM
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At the beginning, I was actually thinking of posting in a forum that belongs to the Vancouver Canucks, but people there seemed to be in serious denial that I didn't want to offer my opinion if it wasn't going to be taken seriously.
That's very CDC like.

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03-21-2011, 09:39 PM
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The thing we're going to miss most about Manny is those late d-zone face offs while clinging to a one goal lead with 30 seconds left in a Game 7.

My new lines, going for all out offense now.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Sammy-Hodgson-Torres
Glass-Lapierre-Hansen

Edler-Ehrhoff
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Ballard-Salo
Alberts-Rome
Tanev

Luongo
CS


Pk#1

Kesler-Burrows

PK#2

Laps-Glass?

PK#3

Higgins?-Raymond?


That's not a bad line up guys. The injury is terrible, it truly sucks. But lets be positive and hope that the rest of the team stays healthy (relatively) and that Edler comes back as the force he once was. Who knows how long that back had been hurting him? Maybe he will come back at a higher level than we've even seen. I'd still take that team over any other in the league if the playoffs started today.


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03-21-2011, 09:52 PM
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Hodgson better train hard this off-season and come to training camp with bionic legs. He has a golden opportunity to shine next season.

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We all owe that one guy an apology for scrutinizing him last night. (something about talking to Alberts, etc. etc.)

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03-21-2011, 10:27 PM
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Damn you hockey gods!!! This wont make things easier. Bolduc better play some inspired hockey.
What..

they called up Bolduc?

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I didn't see this posted yet, apologies if it has:

Malhotra injury means ‘there are more important things than hockey right now,’ says Torres

BY JASON BOTCHFORD, THE PROVINCE

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I honestly see this as Hodgson's chance to make the club and carry the 3rd line.

The teams that have been winning cups have been getting inspired play from their young guns (and of course it helped them fit under the cap).

Hodgson will be given a shot, who knows, maybe he has the playoff heart Linden had.

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I honestly see this as Hodgson's chance to make the club and carry the 3rd line.

The teams that have been winning cups have been getting inspired play from their young guns (and of course it helped them fit under the cap).

Hodgson will be given a shot, who knows, maybe he has the playoff heart Linden had.
I think this is an optimistic but very unrealistic and unfair expectation to put on a player who has yet to play a full season of pro hockey. Hodgson is simply not ready to anchor a 3rd line on a cup contending team. If he does get playing time, it will most likely be on the 4th line with very sheltered minutes.

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I think this is an optimistic but very unrealistic and unfair expectation to put on a player who has yet to play a full season of pro hockey. Hodgson is simply not ready to anchor a 3rd line on a cup contending team. If he does get playing time, it will most likely be on the 4th line with very sheltered minutes.
Bingo. The people clamouring for Hodgson are out to lunch IMO. Lapieere will center the third line. Lets hope he is as effective as he was for Montreal last playoffs. Bolduc will have to do for the fourth line

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I think it's more likely that, at some point, Raymond (or Tambellini, I guess) goes back on the 2nd line, Higgins get a trial as the third line centre, and Lapierre can stay put as the fourth line centre. Keeps Bolduc out of the mix. That's not to sound harsh, but I really don't think AV's vision of a more even time distribution is going to be effective with him. With ten games left and a reasonably comfortable cushion, it would be silly to not even try Higgins at centre.


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Bingo. The people clamouring for Hodgson are out to lunch IMO. Lapieere will center the third line. Lets hope he is as effective as he was for Montreal last playoffs. Bolduc will have to do for the fourth line
What's out to lunch is believing Bolduc is sufficient for the 4th line for a long run, when his play has been scrambly, not very effective (save 2-3 games), frequently hemmed in their zone, and injury prone. It brings us back to the hole on the 4th C position as we were 3 months ago. Cody has been the most effective in that position (minus Lappy of course). His line of Glass and Tambo were consistently creating pressure in the offensive zone, okay defensively, good on the forecheck. Whereas what you see is what you'll get in Bolduc, rather than a guy who albeit is a bit more inexperienced, but has the ability to step his game up immensely and contribute in other ways rather than the regular bump and grind.

In September, i hoped Hodgson would play a similar role as Helm in his first quasi season - stepping in late during the season, playing limited but effective minutes in the playoffs. I don't think it is out of the question to hope for something similar and i don't think it will detriment his development.

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What's out to lunch is believing Bolduc is sufficient for the 4th line for a long run, when his play has been scrambly, not very effective (save 2-3 games), frequently hemmed in their zone, and injury prone. It brings us back to the hole on the 4th C position as we were 3 months ago. Cody has been the most effective in that position (minus Lappy of course). His line of Glass and Tambo were consistently creating pressure in the offensive zone, okay defensively, good on the forecheck. Whereas what you see is what you'll get in Bolduc, rather than a guy who albeit is a bit more inexperienced, but has the ability to step his game up immensely and contribute in other ways rather than the regular bump and grind.

In September, i hoped Hodgson would play a similar role as Helm in his first quasi season - stepping in late during the season, playing limited but effective minutes in the playoffs. I don't think it is out of the question to hope for something similar and i don't think it will detriment his development.
It's patently absurd for them to bring Bolduc up. I don't like to be critical of AV, but he get's these obsessions for certain players and never relents. Frankly, I am surprised Rypien was not a call up yet.

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