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03-22-2011, 10:32 AM
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i agree with KK- i've never understood why there is so much hype around this kid. i just don't see it. he's big and lanky and it looks like he might be a good skater for his size, but i just kinda laugh when i hear the talk about how huge his potential is and how he might even be "our best prospect".

i don't think the kid is a lock to make the NHL, forget about him being our "best prospect". i will be watching him closely tonight.
I don't think anyone will contest that Rundblad is our best prospect right now.

But I don't know how I feel about KK allegedly saying that about Wiercioch. Patrick had stellar numbers in college and great scouting reports all over. It takes a spineless mother****er of a coach to belittle his own player's pedigree instead of shutting up or at least shouldering responsibility.

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03-22-2011, 10:37 AM
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I don't think anyone will contest that Rundblad is our best prospect right now.

But I don't know how I feel about KK allegedly saying that about Wiercioch. Patrick had stellar numbers in college and great scouting reports all over. It takes a spineless mother****er of a coach to belittle his own player's pedigree instead of shutting up or at least shouldering responsibility.
not what happened chief. re read the article

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03-22-2011, 10:40 AM
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not what happened chief. re read the article
I never read anything I'm going by what that other dude said.

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03-22-2011, 10:42 AM
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I never read anything I'm going by what that other dude said.

you should start reading then.

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03-22-2011, 10:51 AM
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Nice. Hopefully we get to see PW and EK work the PP together at some point.
I agree! I mean... look at my HF name for god's sake!

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03-22-2011, 10:55 AM
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you should start reading then.
I'm going by what you said. You trying to say you lied?

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03-22-2011, 11:01 AM
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Weircoche models his game after Lidstrom so it's no wonder it's taken him longer (by 6 months) to develop, he's all about skating with people and staying close and using his stick and angles to play the game. Using your head more then your muscles usually takes these players a bit longer to learn the game because they play smart hockey in all situations and it takes a lot longer to leanr how to be exact in all situations

I'm excited to see him play, he'll do something. Weircoche could still be our best Dman in 4-5 years, he's going to get better every year in all aspects of the game and could be an All Star for us one day.

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03-22-2011, 11:03 AM
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If you put rundblad's talent in Cowen's body, you might have the best defenseman that ever played hockey. I don't think Wiercioch's ceiling is close to that.
Right idea, wrong player. The player you were looking for is Karlsson.

Rundblad is already 6'3. Weircioch 6'4. Cowen is only 6'5.

Karlsson is 6'0.

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03-22-2011, 11:07 AM
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Right idea, wrong player. The player you were looking for is Karlsson.

Rundblad is already 6'3. Weircioch 6'4. Cowen is only 6'5.

Karlsson is 6'0.
I know that's what the stats guide says, but there's no way that's possible. Typical media guide strategy of building up smaller guys.

I'm 6'3, and Karlsson is at least 4-5 inches shorter in comparison.
5'10" is a more-than-likely "actual height".

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03-22-2011, 11:10 AM
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To the person that said he was tall and lanky and can skate well but you couldn't understand why he is a good prospect. It is because he is a project. If you are tall and can skate like PW can, then there will be hype around u. I know he's not 6'9, but the idea is that everyone is hoping for the next Chara or even Chris Pronger. That's the kind of upside that we are unlikely to see in him, but hope for. Only time will tell. Here's to hoping he is better than both Chara and Pronger!

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When it comes to Wiercioch, I think most people who hyped him thought that he has the potential to be a #1 if he filled out a lot. I know I was pretty high on his upside, but the kid really doesn't project to hit his ceiling because it really is a best case scenario.

I think he'll pan out to be a #4/5 guy with good puck-moving ability. Defencemen take a little longer to develop than forwards, give him time to adjust.

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03-22-2011, 11:17 AM
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Ive heard any number of times that few rookies have ever come into a Sens camp (last year and to a lesser extent this year) with such an enormously high opinion of himself.
Apparently the guys simply ripped him to shreds and spared no expense in tearing him down to size. It had a huge impact on him.

It seems as though the tough "love" is paying off.
This is honestly the intuition I've had since the camp in September, where he was often skating around by himself; would be last to the scrimmage, like "I'm too cool"; and just generally was skating around like he was the ****. From that point on, I've been concerned about his attitude, but this thread has really shed some light on the past year or so - especially KK's interview.

I think that if PW continues to continue work hard, do as he's told, and be a good team player that sticks up for his teammates, he'll be a 2nd pairing defenceman with roughly 2-3 more years at the AHL level. Clearly he'll need that long simply to add enough bulk to his giraffe-like frame.

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03-22-2011, 11:21 AM
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I know that's what the stats guide says, but there's no way that's possible. Typical media guide strategy of building up smaller guys.

I'm 6'3, and Karlsson is at least 4-5 inches shorter in comparison.
5'10" is a more-than-likely "actual height".
When was the last time you stood beside him in person? I'm 5'9 and he was signifigantly taller than me last week.

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03-22-2011, 11:21 AM
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I didn't realize there was such a big problem with Wiercioch... good to see it may have been dealt with even before I knew about it... ?? maybe...

either way, I'm looking forward to seeing him tomorrow.

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03-22-2011, 11:34 AM
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from Thesaurus.com:

Main Entry: prospect

Part of Speech: noun

Definition: outlook for future

Synonyms: anticipation, calculation, chance, contemplation, expectancy, expectation, forecast, future, hope, in the cards, irons in the fire, likelihood, odds, opening, plan, possibility, presumption, probability, promise, proposal, thought

All of the above underlines why Wiercioch is: a) not in the NHL full time, b) still has a lot of upside, and c) will be given time to fill out and develop.

The majority of d-men take a while to develop... they need time to develop the smarts required to take on the most creative and athletic players in the game, and to develop the 'man strength' that comes with age... regardless of working out, I became much, much stronger physically around 25, while staying the same height/weight as I was when I was 18.

Give him time and just let the kid have a game to see where he needs to get to in order to compete at the highest level.

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http://senators.nhl.com/v2/ext/Audio..._Wiercioch.mp3

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When was the last time you stood beside him in person? I'm 5'9 and he was signifigantly taller than me last week.
2 weeks ago, maybe?
Within the last month for sure.

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03-22-2011, 12:23 PM
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I don't think anyone will contest that Rundblad is our best prospect right now.

But I don't know how I feel about KK allegedly saying that about Wiercioch. Patrick had stellar numbers in college and great scouting reports all over. It takes a spineless mother****er of a coach to belittle his own player's pedigree instead of shutting up or at least shouldering responsibility.

Personally I think it is too early to make any predictions on which of PW, DR, or JC is the best prospect, or which will have the most succesful NHL career.

Rundbald has definitely lit it up in the SEL, but the NHL is a beast of a different ilk. So until he arrives and plays a significantly more physical brand of hockey, it is premature to annoit him the best.

Cowen proved he was close last year, and he has had a very good year in the WHL finishing 15th among defencemen in scoring. While he appears awkward at times, it is not abnormal for a young person go through an adjustment due to their physical growth. Currently, Cowen is showing a more rounded game than either David or Patrick.

Wiercioch was probably overhyped, but watching him from training camp and in the games I have seen him play in the AHL, he is developing and will make the NHL. He does need to get stronger, and work on his acceleration, but he has talent and he is starting to show it more consistently.

The good thing about all of them, they are future Sens IMO.

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03-22-2011, 01:55 PM
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2 weeks ago, maybe?
Within the last month for sure.
I saw EK up close last month and what I noticed most was that he was taller than I expected. I would definitely put him at 5'11" and very possibly 6'0".

edit: he still looked skinny. It's a miracle that he has the shot that he does.

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There are a few reasons why PW has gotten hype.

- Put up great numbers in his first year in College
- Good skills
- Good Size
- Would have made WJC if not injured

But Why the Tough AHL intro?
- Got a big head
- He is too thin

Other things
- late growth spurt, body still adapting
- he is young for his draft year, born Sept 12, 1990

He has the skill, he has the height. With a bit of maturity, and hopefully some filling out, he can become a reliable 3-4 guy. Personally, I think the 'filling out' part is the one thing that could hold him back.

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Hockey height has always been measured in "dick inches".

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I think part of the reason some of you think Karlsson is bigger than he is, is because he is skinny. Skinny people look taller, even if they aren't, cuz they are longer. That being said I'd say 5'11" is an accurate estimate.

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I'm going by what you said. You trying to say you lied?
Never let ignorance get in the way of a good knee-jerk reaction. Good for you.

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I think part of the reason some of you think Karlsson is bigger than he is, is because he is skinny. Skinny people look taller, even if they aren't, cuz they are longer. That being said I'd say 5'11" is an accurate estimate.
That's true, I forget I have like 80 lbs on him.
5'11" is possible. I guess arguing an inch or two seems unnecessary on my part.

In Summary: I forget sometimes that I am a very big human being. Erik Karlsson is not large by hockey standards, and 6'0" in the media guide somewhat surprises me.

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I think part of the reason some of you think Karlsson is bigger than he is, is because he is skinny. Skinny people look taller, even if they aren't, cuz they are longer. That being said I'd say 5'11" is an accurate estimate.
Maybe, but the fact that he's taller than Alfredsson clearly might also play a factor.

Another beef, "big" has nothing to do with height...unless the tall person is big. Can't stand when people bring up "big" and everyone starts talking about feet and inches.

My dick is 6 inches.....aaarrrouuuuundddd. Now that's big.

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