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Calgary gets a true top6 that they desperatly need,Ottawa gets Sappy who should shine with Ottawa's style plus one of the hardest hitting Dman in the league.
I'll be the first to say no. I don't think I need to provide any justification
I second that....Ottawa's defense is too deep, and Gauthier is not someone they might be interested in. He is a bottom pair defenceman in Ottawa.
Saprykin hasn't done anything to justify he's a top prospect. He struggeled mightly in Calgary, and with Vermette and Spezza coming up through the system, he won't get a lot of ice time to develop.
Havlat is a proven top 6 winger who has a lot of potential. I wouldn't do this trade if I were ottawa
Not a bad proposal T@T, even though you'll probably get a lot of flack for it.
I expected Flack but Ottawa fans would soon forget after the first Toronto game watching Gauthier smear half of their forwards along the boards...he would be a fan favorite after 1 game.
IMO Gauthier would be an easy upgrade over Leschyshyn, and Hnidy and Pothier aren't even worth mentioning. Gauthier would also be a good mentor for Volchenkov.
Agreed.
However, he's no better than any of Ottawa's top five at the moment, and giving up Martin Havlat(a young top-six forward) for an underachieving prospect and a guy who'd be your #6 defenseman is simply not good asset management.
That being said. Gauthier would also save the Sens $700,000 ($1.3M vs. Leschyshyn's $2M contract). And would do the dirty work that guys like Rachunek and Phillips tend to shy away from.
He wouldn't save them $700 000 if the Sens were stuck with both Gauthier and Leschyshyn.. even if the Sens were to acquire Gauthier, they'd be very hard pressed to find a suitor for Leschyshyn at his fairly huge contract.
All this talk of Ottawa needing to solidify their defence is laughable. That is a defence I would rank in the top-3 of the league right there, they don't need any more "solidifying".
Gauthier would be played over Phillips? The same Chris Phillips who was the best defenceman for Ottawa in the playoffs? Denis Gauthier, who brings nothing other than strong, physical play to the table? Ottawa is not as hard up for toughness as they were a year ago. I agree in general terms Gauthier is a better defenceman than Leschyshyn, but dumping Curtis L. due to his salary would be a boneheaded move for Ottawa. Here is a guy who restructured his contract when Ottawa was in a financial bind so Muckler could bring some guys in; the loyalty he has shown to Ottawa and the experience he brings as the only Senator with Cup rings is infinitely more valuable than anything Gauthier brings to the table.
Saprykin is also something Ottawa doesn't need, at least yet. Martin is much better off trying the bevy of centermen there before making a move for one, and even then if Muckler chooses to shop Havlat he could get a much better player than an underachiever like Saprykin.
Also, moving Leschyshyn's salary is by no means a given - $2 million #6 dmen aren't a great commodity. He could easily pass through waivers, I think.
It also doesn't help Ottawa to grab a guy who takes ice-time away from Volchenkov. He doesn't deserve it, he's a steady guy out there and effective with the minutes he gets now.
Is this anal retardant day? Did I forget to bring my stick?
Fine. They WOULD save $700,000 if they found a destination for Leschyshyn. Happy now?
I don't see how my post deserved that response.. it's very unlikely that they'd be able to move Leschyshyn and thus it's true that they wouldn't save any money via the deal! Likewise, as others have mentioned, I just don't see Gauthier fitting in well along the Senators blueline with who they currently have. Havlat is much more valuable to the Sens than Gauthier and Saprykin would be.. that's not to bring down the Flames' players but Havlat is a key cog in the Ottawa attack.
Let me be the last to say no. Trades that have more players going to the Sens then leaving are non-starters, and also not starting tonight were Hnidy and Pothier. Btw great game except for some sick ref. Now already back home at 9:45 (that was fast!). Although pointless, feel free to extend this thread into an overtime of another 50 posts or so explaining why the Sens should do it - I'll stay on the bench and watch the action.
I really don't rate Gauthier that highly for the Flames anymore, I'm really doubtful that he and Sappy (who does have potential still) would fetch a player of Havlat's talent. I think Gauthier is basically the 6th d-man on Calgary this year, but maybe I'm crazy.
I really don't rate Gauthier that highly for the Flames anymore, I'm really doubtful that he and Sappy (who does have potential still) would fetch a player of Havlat's talent. I think Gauthier is basically the 6th d-man on Calgary this year, but maybe I'm crazy.
I can see where most people are coming from (I actually had him 5th) but with Sutter's comments about how the 3 essential players for the team are Iginla, Regehr and Gauthier, that tells you alot about what he's worth to the team. As per mentioned on a previous post, Gauthier was on the ice for the last minute of the game last night, down by a goal - which shows that the coaching staff have alot of confidense in him.
I can see where most people are coming from (I actually had him 5th) but with Sutter's comments about how the 3 essential players for the team are Iginla, Regehr and Gauthier, that tells you alot about what he's worth to the team. As per mentioned on a previous post, Gauthier was on the ice for the last minute of the game last night, down by a goal - which shows that the coaching staff have alot of confidense in him.
That is true (assuming you mean up by a goal ) One reason they may play him less is 'cause he doesn't have the offensive abilities to get PP time which would limit his ice time, obviously the Lydman-Ference or Leopold-Regehr combo's are gonna get the PP time over the Warrener-Gauthier combo, which could lead to their overall higher icetimes, I must say I was much more impressed with him and Warrener last night than the first night.
That is true (assuming you mean up by a goal ) One reason they may play him less is 'cause he doesn't have the offensive abilities to get PP time which would limit his ice time, obviously the Lydman-Ference or Leopold-Regehr combo's are gonna get the PP time over the Warrener-Gauthier combo, which could lead to their overall higher icetimes, I must say I was much more impressed with him and Warrener last night than the first night.
tis true, but Gauthier's job isn't to score goals. Personally, I don't see him being any worse then Warraner (not saying he's back, but he didn't stand out to me) and I don't see him being below Ference on the depth chart. Gauthier may have looked bad not taking out Bertuzzi's stick on that first Vancouver goal (among others) but Regehr wasn't exactly taking out Bertuzzi either - all around, it was a bad night for the whole team against Vancouver, except maybe Turek, who had no chance on any of those Vancouver goals.
Well it's early but so far according to average time on ice Gauthier and Warrener are the clear 5th and 6th defensemen. Leopold leads the way with Regehr, Ference and Lydman closely behind. Gauthier and Warrener are significantly behind those 4 in ice time thus far.
If he is a 6th man then it is only because of defensive depth and not because that is where he'd be on a weaker defensive corps. It's all relative. However the situation in Ottawa would be much of the same.
can one not argue then in retaliation to this statement that gauthier then is a bottom three dman generally speaking?..
just curious, because many have said that gauthier is a top four dman
Well it's early but so far according to average time on ice Gauthier and Warrener are the clear 5th and 6th defensemen. Leopold leads the way with Regehr, Ference and Lydman closely behind. Gauthier and Warrener are significantly behind those 4 in ice time thus far.
I must agree with the fact that Gauthier and Warrener will not play as in games where we need offense like the first two (hopefully not too many more, but it is the Flames ) I think we will definetaly see them in games where Calgary takes the lead early on. I must say I've been impressed with Ference though, he had a good preseason until the last two Oiler games but he has really been steady since then, he seems to be in the right place at the right time, even if he gets burned while he's there, he seems fast enough to not get caught out of position very often.
I must agree with the fact that Gauthier and Warrener will not play as in games where we need offense like the first two (hopefully not too many more, but it is the Flames ) I think we will definetaly see them in games where Calgary takes the lead early on. I must say I've been impressed with Ference though, he had a good preseason until the last two Oiler games but he has really been steady since then, he seems to be in the right place at the right time, even if he gets burned while he's there, he seems fast enough to not get caught out of position very often.
I have a feeling this time next year you won't be putting the smurk codes when talking about the Flames
Anyway your right about Ference,this guy can only get better and man does this guy take the word "in shape" to a new level!
He rides his mountain bike to work!!
The first mistake people are making is assuming that Saprykin is a centre. He has never played centre professionally. So any comments about how the Sens are already too deep down the middle can be thrown out the window. Saprykin is a left-winger, let me emphasize LEFT-WINGER.
The Sens wouldn't be adding any payroll either for the most part, assuming that Havlat's contract is in excess of $2M. Keyword there is assuming, for those who can't wait to jump all over me.
What people are making assumptions? Nobody insinuated that Saprykin is a center. One poster said the Sens have Vermette and Spezza, why do we need Saprykin. No mention of center there, and Vermette is now a LW'er. Another poster said that with the Sens bevy of centers, they can try those guys out at LW so they don't need Saprykin. Nobody said Saprykin was a center.
It's just not a good deal, period. Besides, Ottawa is not making any trades unless there are injuries or an established marquee player becomes available for reasonably cheap as a rental.
) One reason they may play him less is 'cause he doesn't have the offensive abilities to get PP time which would limit his ice time, obviously the Lydman-Ference or Leopold-Regehr combo's are gonna get the PP time over the Warrener-Gauthier combo, which could lead to their overall higher icetimes, I must say I was much more impressed with him and Warrener last night than the first night.
) I think we will definetaly see them in games where Calgary takes the lead early on. I must say I've been impressed with Ference though, he had a good preseason until the last two Oiler games but he has really been steady since then, he seems to be in the right place at the right time, even if he gets burned while he's there, he seems fast enough to not get caught out of position very often.
