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03-23-2011, 12:15 PM
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New York Rangers continue to produce excellent prospects

Chris Kreider is first in the New York Rangers' top 20.

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03-23-2011, 01:41 PM
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So, there were several guys who were chomping at the bit for this. No comments yet though. I know there will be criticisms and am looking for a lively discussion. I promise to take an active part in it.

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I think the ranking is pretty legit. McDonagh at 2 seems perfect to me. Christian Thomas at 3 may be a bit high but I don't see anyone else on that list who has the potential he does, really.

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I'd swap Hagelin with Grachev.


Overall, nice job.

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Bourque over Werek is an interesting choice.

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chad johnson seems quite high - do you think we resign him this summer?

also Vtank seems a bit low at 11.

i also am not sure how many of these guys are going to break the line up in the next 2-3 years - we're already getting pretty stacked with young guys at the nhl level.

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So between Kreider, Thomas and Grachev who's most likely to be playing for the Rangers next year?

I personally figured Grachev since he's been pro for a few years, but that's the only reason. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on this stuff in general and what I know about Thomas and Kreider is all second hand.

But in reading it it seemed like Thomas has the best shot. I thought there was more concern about his size, but I hope he's just changed people's perceptions this season.

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I like it a lot more than past ones

Overall, I think Horak needs to be moved up a few spots and Grachev down. Grachev should be at about 6 or 7 right now, to be honest.

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I'd have MZA at 3 and Thomas at 4. Bourque seems high. I'd rank Werek, Valentenko, Kundratek, Weise and Johnson over him and maybe Fasth and Horak as well. It's not so much skill level but I have doubts whether Bourque is going to transition well to pro hockey--because of his size and injury history.

I question why Brodie Dupont doesn't make the list. He got off to a very slow start this year--4 pts in his first 17 games. Since then he's had 39 pts in 46 games--so he's had a very strong second half.

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I do believe that Johnson will be resigned for a year. He is still a work in progress; why let him go at this point?

Bourque over Werek has to do with offensive upside and Werek's injury issues. Could change next season.

I believe that Kreider will get a very good look in camp. Grachev should be on the team or gone. Thomas is a big question mark. A lot will depend on what he shows over the summer and in camp.

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I'd personally bring Horak up a bit. Think Johnson is too high, maybe Grachev is a bit high, too.

Other than that it's pretty spot on IMO.

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I'd have MZA at 3 and Thomas at 4. Bourque seems high. I'd rank Werek, Valentenko, Kundratek, Weise and Johnson over him and maybe Fasth and Horak as well. It's not so much skill level but I have doubts whether Bourque is going to transition well to pro hockey--because of his size and injury history.

I question why Brodie Dupont doesn't make the list. He got off to a very slow start this year--4 pts in his first 17 games. Since then he's had 39 pts in 46 games--so he's had a very strong second half.
As for Dupont, I thought a lot about him. Frankly, I don't see where he fits in within the organization. I see him in a similar situation as Dane Byers. Thought that he might be traded at the deadline, but that did not happen. Now, I am not sure he will be resigned. He might opt to join another organization rather than continue with the Rangers.

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Personally I would slide Thomas down to the 5 spot, behind Grachev and Zuccarello.

I still think Thomas is a year or so away so that's why I put Grachev and Zuccs ahead but overall great list.

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A very solid list. A few point of criticism:
  • Grachev is too high
  • Johnson is too high
  • Horak is too low
  • Zuccarello/McIlrath should be flip-flopped

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So between Kreider, Thomas and Grachev who's most likely to be playing for the Rangers next year?

I personally figured Grachev since he's been pro for a few years, but that's the only reason. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on this stuff in general and what I know about Thomas and Kreider is all second hand.

But in reading it it seemed like Thomas has the best shot. I thought there was more concern about his size, but I hope he's just changed people's perceptions this season.
Carl Hagelin.

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Leslie, what is your opinion of Dylan Mcilraith? Based on what you know so far, do you think he'll eventually justify his high spot on the draft board?

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I still think Thomas is a year or so away so that's why I put Grachev and Zuccs ahead but overall great list.
I'm not sure the list is meant to be a pecking order in terms of who's most NHL ready (if that were the case, McIlrath would be much further down the list), but more or less how the prospects are performing given their age/development/circumstances.

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Leslie, what is your opinion of Dylan Mcilraith? Based on what you know so far, do you think he'll eventually justify his high spot on the draft board?
I believe that he is coming along fine. It's hard to tell right now whether he will develop into what the Rangers hope for--the team was looking for a type of player they did not have within the organization and McIlrath has that potential.

Although he would not have been my pick, I have to agree with them, that if I had been looking for a defenseman that could potentially clear the crease, be horrible to play against, and instill fear in other teams, McIlrath was a good pick (and he would have been gone by number 11, so moving down was not an option).


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Its actually not far off at all from our personal board rankings, once Sauer and Stepan are removed.

I think 17 of 18 players are the same, and none are too far off.

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I believe that he is coming along fine. It's hard to tell right now whether he will develop into what the Rangers hope for, the team was looking for a type of player they did not have within the organization and the McIlrath has that potential.

Although he would not have been my pick, I have to agree with them, that if I had been looking for a defenseman that could potentially clear the crease, be horrible to play against, and instill fear in other teams, McIlrath was a good pick (and he would have been gone by number 11, so moving down was not an option).
Thanks Leslie. I have nothing against Mcilraith and hope he develops into the mean sheriff they hope he'll be. I've just always thought except in very rare instances you draft the best available player, and do not draft out of need.

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I think you can justify everyone in the spots that they are in. I thought Fasth would have been higher due to his performance in the WJC, though. Great list, and it looks like there is an impressive amount of young talent mixed in with useful bottom-6 forwards.

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Its actually not far off at all from our personal board rankings, once Sauer and Stepan are removed.

I think 17 of 18 players are the same, and none are too far off.
Did not see the boards rankings. Where can they be found?

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This is an excellent writeup. Some notes and questions for you, Leslie:

-Thomas at an 8.0 seems slightly low to me. He appears to have potentially elite talent, as you yourself mentioned. I would think he'd be more in line with the 8.5 that you graded Kreider.

-Max Campbell. You state that he's almost certain to earn an ELC after this season. This is surprising to me. His senior season, while decent, is only marginally better than his sophomore campaign. Coupled with his abysmal junior season, he seems like a long shot. Has he progressed at all in his tenure at WMU? Less than a point-per-game for a 22 year old PP specialist just doesn't seem worthy of an ELC, to me anyway.

-Roman Horak, you described as being an excellent two-way winger. The times that I have seen him play, he didn't seem particularly adept in his own zone. Did I just catch his bad games? He also seemed a bit weak on and off the puck to me.

-Carl Hagelin was listed as having 15 goals and 22 points, when he actually finished the season with 18 goals and 30 assists.

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Did not see the boards rankings. Where can they be found?
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=876467

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no way grachev deserves to be 4. his play does not warrant that type of ranking. i understand that the forwards behind him have not played in the ahl yet, but guys like zuc, hagelin, werek, fasth and horak look to have higher upsides right now.

as of today, big evgeny has been a bit of a flop. even though hes still young, guys like mcd, stepan and even zuc have stepped in and enjoyed success at the nhl level. grachev still cant find any traction in the ahl.

borque at 8 is too high. not a fan of ryan bourque as he seems like an ahl player or another 4th line energy/pk type and we have too many of those guys now.

mcilrath at 6 is waaayyyyy too high. hes proven nothing so far, isnt even the best dman on his moosejaw team and seems to me to still be very one dimensional. this ranking is purely based upon his draft position and not on his abilities hes shown so far. im sorry, but physical one dimensional defenders and face punchers who have average hockey sense dont impress me.

both fasth and horak should be higher as both have been pretty darn good. fasth showed what he could do in buffalo with blazing speed and excellent offensive hockey iq. his play in the sel has been impressive. hes got high end offensive instincts and hes a dangerous player when hes got the puck.

while horak is enjoying another solid season for chilli. 64 26 52 78 -7 60

hes got a very developed 2 way game, is a very underrated playmaker, plays a ton of minutes and seems like another solid 3c/2c in waiting.

in fact, the 6'1 180 lb horak continues to be the one prospect that we seem to hear the least about- playing in chilli may have something to do with that yet hes my dark horse choice for someone who will play big time minutes for this organization very soon. i have always liked this kids game- he skates very well and his development has been consistent with a player who will play in the nhl soon.

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