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03-24-2011, 08:26 AM
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Wow, I forgot about Salo! (He's injured to often) I really hope Rome is our 8th defensemen, but I'm pretty sure its going to be Alberts.
I hope we don't find out.

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03-24-2011, 11:20 AM
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Has anyone heard anything about Lee Sweatt? It looks to me like he was about to get sent down and cried foot injury. He got to keep collecting an NHL salary. Something is fishy.

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Has anyone heard anything about Lee Sweatt? It looks to me like he was about to get sent down and cried foot injury. He got to keep collecting an NHL salary. Something is fishy.
...or he broke his foot after getting hit with a shot in practice. Hard to fake a broken bone.

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...or he broke his foot after getting hit with a shot in practice. Hard to fake a broken bone.
The estimated recovery time was 4 to 6 weeks. It is way beyond that now.

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03-24-2011, 02:40 PM
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The estimated recovery time was 4 to 6 weeks. It is way beyond that now.
That's because the Canucks needed his LTIR space so they likely told him to pack it in for the year even though he's probably healed by now. Because of the loan rules after the deadline he was stuck on the Canucks roster regardless, so it's better that they can use his LTIR space rather than absorb his cap hit just so he can sit in the press box.

It sucks for him that he doesn't get to play, but once his injury took him past he deadline the AHL was no longer an option. So really he wasn't going to be playing either way. Besides, he gets an NHL paycheck for the rest of the season for his troubles.

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I understand that LS is kept on LTIR for cap reasons and that's what's fishy about it. To me, it just seems like cap circumvention when a player's salary is kept hidden in LTIR even after he becomes healthy. It's just like Salo's situation...he kept saying he wasn't ready but when Edler went down, boom...all of a sudden he's ready to go. Granted, Salo's injury is much harder to judge than a broken foot but it does seem like the Canucks are using the LTIR as a loophole.

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03-24-2011, 04:13 PM
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To me, it just seems like cap circumvention when a player's salary is kept hidden in LTIR even after he becomes healthy.
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Granted, Salo's injury is much harder to judge than a broken foot but it does seem like the Canucks are using the LTIR as a loophole.
Agreed, but I think that's what you get when you have stupid rules like that in place.

I also don't think the Canucks are the only team in the league using questionable practices such as that.

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Agreed, but I think that's what you get when you have stupid rules like that in place.

I also don't think the Canucks are the only team in the league using questionable practices such as that.
It's not questionable at all. It's basically how the rules are setup.

Think about it, you are allowed to go over the cap while someone is hurt, so you can sign a replacement but to bring a player back, you need to get under the cap with them in the lineup, i.e. you need to either keep the player off the roster, or send their replacement down. The Canucks are choosing to keep the injured player off the roster.

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03-24-2011, 11:35 PM
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Can we call up Edler in the regular season (if he's healthy) now that Malhotra's injured?

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Can we call up Edler in the regular season (if he's healthy) now that Malhotra's injured?
No, we don't have the cap space.

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Can we call up Edler in the regular season (if he's healthy) now that Malhotra's injured?
Might be able to squeeze it in. Would have to send Tanev down though, and I believe they've said they won't be doing that.

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Wow, did anyone see the call against Thornton with 2mins left in a tie game. Absolutely terrible and of course the Kings scored on the PP.

and Sharks tie it with 3 secs left!!!

EDIT: Cool wrong thread...


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Might be able to squeeze it in. Would have to send Tanev down though, and I believe they've said they won't be doing that.
Tanev was on the Moose clear day roster right? If we get to the last couple of games, and Edler is ready, I say send him down. Let's face it, he's done well but he's still young and sitting him in the press box is no good. He's 9th on our depth chart when all are healthy. Moose could use the help anyways.

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03-25-2011, 02:21 AM
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They could just fit Edler back in assuming everyone's healthy. If they send Tanev, Oreskovich, and Bolduc down that'd leave them with about $150K in LTIR room (with Malhotra, Alberts, and Sweatt on LTIR) if they activated Edler. They'd be going with a 21 man roster (12 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 2 goalies) and no room for a call up, but they may feel it's worth it for the last couple of games, assuming he's ready.

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Well simply going by if we had the healthy forward roster minus Manny. Orekovich and Bolduc back down. Difference between Edler and Manny is $750k. Tanev's $900k would cover that.

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Alain Vigneault's take on injuries.
"I don't think our guys are getting the credit they deserve," Vigneault said after Thursday's practice in suburban Atlanta. "We're sixth in the league in man games lost to injury. Everybody in front of us who has more man games lost aren't in the playoffs."

"We have used the most players in the league this year and we're still No. 1. So I think this group deserves a lot of credit for the adversity they have faced night in and night out."
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz1Hb066P4Y

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What exactly is the status of Edler right now? I can't seem to find any fresh info. Is he on pace to be back for sometime during the first playoff round or what?

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03-25-2011, 12:18 PM
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Well he started skating last week. I think they said if all goes well he may join the team. Most media are confident he'll be back for game 1.

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03-25-2011, 12:25 PM
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With Malhotra's injury and a little creative juggling, the Canucks could conceivably fit Edler back in towards the end of the year. Malhotra is at $2.5m(LTIR), Bolduc at $500k(back to Manitoba) and Edler's hit is $3.25m. It'd be close...but I think they will likely wait for the playoffs.

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With Malhotra's injury and a little creative juggling, the Canucks could conceivably fit Edler back in towards the end of the year. Malhotra is at $2.5m(LTIR), Bolduc at $500k(back to Manitoba) and Edler's hit is $3.25m. It'd be close...but I think they will likely wait for the playoffs.
I'm not sure if we can do this, can someone confirm?

It makes sense to me that we could put Malhotra on retroactive LTIR since on the date of the injury there were still 10 games remaining in the season. Is this correct? I imagine Malhotra's LTIR will only be activated should Edler be ready to go.

Can someone confirm the call-up rules? To fit Edler in we'd need to send down some guys, are we allowed to call them back up come playoffs or does our call-up limit exist there too? I'm unfamiliar with this rule.

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It's not questionable at all. It's basically how the rules are setup.

Think about it, you are allowed to go over the cap while someone is hurt, so you can sign a replacement but to bring a player back, you need to get under the cap with them in the lineup, i.e. you need to either keep the player off the roster, or send their replacement down. The Canucks are choosing to keep the injured player off the roster.
Given that, couldn't we have had a few more guys "go down" prior to the deadline and stay on LTIR until playoffs? We'd have a pretty stacked roster. I'm sure if we did that, the league would intervene. The point is, this is in a sense salary circumvention, so technically it's against the rules. Keep in mind, salary circumvention isn't clearly defined in the CBA, so it's essentially how it is perceived by the league, and then decided specifically by an arbitrator.

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Alain Vigneault's take on injuries.
"I don't think our guys are getting the credit they deserve," Vigneault said after Thursday's practice in suburban Atlanta. "We're sixth in the league in man games lost to injury. Everybody in front of us who has more man games lost aren't in the playoffs."

"We have used the most players in the league this year and we're still No. 1. So I think this group deserves a lot of credit for the adversity they have faced night in and night out."
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz1Hb066P4Y
Not quite true according to Mirtle. Nashville has had more injuries. Nonetheless, the Canucks have dealt with major adversity this year.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1955920/

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Not quite true according to Mirtle. Nashville has had more injuries. Nonetheless, the Canucks have dealt with major adversity this year.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1955920/
is anybody out for the Preds right now?
could have drawn from an older stat. Canucks could now be ahead of Nashville in man games lost

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