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03-24-2011, 01:28 PM
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Acquisitions/Cap management/Roster Building Thread XV

Previous: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=881961

These threads gave way to the deadline threads, but never came back.. and now we again have separate and hi-jacked threads about Hannan, Green, Laich, etc, which are really part of the general discussion about Caps roster going forward.. so I think maybe it makes sense to reinstate these threads?

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re: Laich

After some thinking about it.. as much as I think 4m is a big overpayment for a "good complementary player".. I can see how it could work out ok for the Caps.

-- if Mojo can hack it as top-6 C, it eliminates the huge need for a legit 2C, which is what would most directly conflict with re-signing Laich, because that's one role that he can't fill.

-- Slotting Mojo in top-6, I don't see a big cap increase for the next two seasons, until 2013-2014

-- Among UFAs, don't really see somebody that I would really want for the Caps to go after, especially among forwards. As for defensemen, there are some guys there like Markov, Kaberle, etc.. but the truth is the Caps need to sort out their roster and plans on D (Schultz, Poti) before they can even start thinking about that. And if they do sort it out, I think I'd be fine with just bringing back Hannan.

-- As far as I can tell, salary cap is expected to rise 2-3 mil, and that's a healthy chunk of extra dough. If .5 or something of that goes to Laich.. seems reasonable in a way.

So.. this is all in Laich's favor.

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re: Hannan

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-I'm wary given his past that GMGM will not take a "loss" in the individual Sarge trade in order to give him the ability to sign Hannan at the agreed rate making it an overall win.

Issue 3 is what burns me with him. And if we see Hannan sign elsewhere for 3 yrs x 3M (reasonable value to me) or less I'm going to be sooooo damn pissed.
Yeah.. I get that vibe of Alice in Wonderland math sometimes. Also "lets sign Player X because it's a good deal.. even if it prevents us from signing Player Y who is really more important to the team".

It's the same thing that was making me very leery of Caps re-signing Laich.. until MJ started showing solid 2C credentials.

On the other hand maybe so far it's more vibe than reality. Steckel seems to have prevented Caps from re-signing Belanger in exactly this fashion. But now this allowed MJ to bloom and as a bonus, the Arnott rental. Whether or not McPhee was even close to planning something like this, it worked out pretty well.

I really hope the Caps find a way to bring Hannan back. It's not that he's a much better player, but given the emergence of Carlson and Alzner, he bring an element that's needed a lot more than anything Poti/Schultz can add..


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My first draft from the contract/salary thread to aid in the discussion:

Salary for '10-11 (not cap hit) shown in the tables (updated to include players acquired at TDL):



14 UFAs:

PlayerPos.'10-11 SalaryStatus / Notes
Jason ArnottC
$4,500,000
 
Matt BradleyRW
$1,000,000
 
Boyd GordonC/RW
$800,000
 
Scott HannanD
$4,500,000
 
Mike KnubleRW
$2,800,000
Re-signed to 1 yr/$2M contract (4/11/11)
Brooks LaichLW
$2,400,000
 
Marco SturmW
$3,500,000
 
    
Sean CollinsD
$675,000
 
Brian FaheyD
$500,000
 
Andrew GordonRW
$500,000
Group VI UFA
Andrew JoudreyC
$500,000
Group VI UFA
Steve PinizzottoRW
$550,000
 
Dany SabourinG
$525,000
 
Brian WillsieC/RW
$525,000
 

plus Nylander, UFA

9 RFAs:

PlayerPos.'10-11 SalaryQualifying Offer**Status / Notes
Karl AlznerD
$787,500
$866,250
**875,000 assume 87,500 signing bonus
Francois BouchardW
$765,000
$841,500
**850,000 assume 85,000 signing bonus
Trevor BruessC
$737,500
$774,375
**
Joe FinleyD
$765,000
$841,500
**850,000 assume 85,000 signing bonus
Josh GodfreyD
$600,000
$660,000
**conflicting numbers as orig. reported and in capgeek, used capgeek salary, lower #; on loan to AHL Chicago Wolves, but Caps own his rights
Patrick McNeillD
$500,000
$550,000
 
Zach MiskovicD
$500,000
$550,000
 
Mathieu PerreaultC
$650,000
$682,500
**
Semyon VarlamovG
$765,000
$803,250
 

** Unless there are some signing bonuses not accounted for in determining the base in the last year of the ELC contract for calculating the QO and if that was the case, the QO would be lower; need to research notes for signing bonus for last year of contract, which would mean QO would be lower, have figures in some but not all cases.


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I agree with those that think most decisions should be put on hold until after the playoffs.

Except for Alzner. Lock that guy up.

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Schultz and Sloan out, Reasoner in. Hannan, Gordon, Alzner and Knuble signed and Laich taking a discount:

FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Mike Knuble ($2.000m)
Brooks Laich ($3.500m) / Marcus Johansson ($0.900m) / Alexander Semin ($6.700m)
Jason Chimera ($1.875m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.500m) / Eric Fehr ($2.200m)
Matt Hendricks ($0.825m) / Boyd Gordon ($0.800m) / Andrew Gordon ($0.500m)
D.J. King ($0.637m) / Jay Beagle ($0.512m)

DEFENSEMEN
Scott Hannan ($3.500m) / Mike Green ($5.250m)
Karl Alzner ($2.500m) / John Carlson ($0.845m)
Tom Poti ($2.875m) / Dennis Wideman ($3.937m)
John Erskine ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth ($1.150m) / Semyon Varlamov ($1.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $61,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,246,795; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $153,205

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Except for Alzner. Lock that guy up.
This!

I think he'll get 2 or 3 years at a decent salary since he is a RFA this summer but if we can somehow find a way to free up some cap by sending Poti and/or Schultz on their way, Alzner is definitely the kind of guy you want for a decade and more, Carlson too.

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Schultz and Sloan out, Reasoner in. Hannan, Gordon, Alzner and Knuble signed and Laich taking a discount:
I don't see Gordon coming back, some team out there will offer him over 1M to be a 4th line center, teams are going to throw some money at Laich too, it's all up to him whether he wants to stay for less or go though, I'd expect Hannan to get some decent offers too.

After next year I fully expect Chimera, King, and Sloan to be cut free. I don't know whats wrong with Poti but he will need to retire or be buried in the minors.

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Schultz and Sloan out, Reasoner in. Hannan, Gordon, Alzner and Knuble signed and Laich taking a discount
Reasoner is an intriguing option, but I view him more as a 4th line guy.

Personally I'd like to go after Scottie Upshall, love the way he plays.

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Schultz and Sloan out, Reasoner in. Hannan, Gordon, Alzner and Knuble signed and Laich taking a discount:

FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Mike Knuble ($2.000m)
Brooks Laich ($3.500m) / Marcus Johansson ($0.900m) / Alexander Semin ($6.700m)
Jason Chimera ($1.875m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.500m) / Eric Fehr ($2.200m)
Matt Hendricks ($0.825m) / Boyd Gordon ($0.800m) / Andrew Gordon ($0.500m)
D.J. King ($0.637m) / Jay Beagle ($0.512m)

DEFENSEMEN
Scott Hannan ($3.500m) / Mike Green ($5.250m)
Karl Alzner ($2.500m) / John Carlson ($0.845m)
Tom Poti ($2.875m) / Dennis Wideman ($3.937m)
John Erskine ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth ($1.150m) / Semyon Varlamov ($1.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $61,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,246,795; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $153,205
I'm not sure Andrew Gordon stays here for only $500k NHL salary unless you give him a one-way contract. I think he probably likes his odds of making a roster somewhere else better than he does in DC. And as a Group VI UFA, he has the ability to walk.

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After next year I fully expect Chimera, King, and Sloan to be cut free. I don't know whats wrong with Poti but he will need to retire or be buried in the minors.
I love how quickly Caps fans have turned their back on Poti. I know it's been tough with his injury, but he was our best defenseman in the Montreal series last year. Given some proper time off, he could regain that form (or at least be close to it). His salary is a discount for what he was expected to get during this off-season (prior to the injury). I don't know why people are writing him off for next year already.

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I love how quickly Caps fans have turned their back on Poti. I know it's been tough with his injury, but he was our best defenseman in the Montreal series last year. Given some proper time off, he could regain that form (or at least be close to it). His salary is a discount for what he was expected to get during this off-season (prior to the injury). I don't know why people are writing him off for next year already.
Let me give you right back

Carlson, Green, Alzner, Hannan, I want all these guys on top of the depth chart before Poti

Based on pure cap/salary concerns I want Erskine on the bottom pairing, that leaves a 2.9M 5th/6th D Man in Poti while we still have Jeff Schultz for the next couple of years.

Do not want

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i see no sign that the caps are going to cut matt bradley loose. i could see schultz falling out of the plans and moved on, but not bradley.

i also think mcphee would be more likely to keep eakin than sign reasoner. i think mcphee's first choice will be a one year for arnott. he he wants more than that mcphee's second choice will be eakin with laich as a plan b behind him. reasoner or another low level veteran that could be gotten on a one year deal would be the plan c.

poti is a question mark because he cant play. there is no sign that poti will ever play again. its very much an open question. i used to assume he is in the plan. now i leave as a wait and see.

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To the comment on Caps fans 'turning their back' on Poti. Well to be blunt I never liked him in his tenure here. He doesn't clear the crease, he isn't physical, and is a slightly above average puck-mover. Now I don't want to totally discount him, he was our best Dman in the playoffs last year, but IMO he never brought much to this team otherwise. For that reason, I thought for sure we wouldn't re-sign him. Sure as hell didn't think we would re-sign before the season began.

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Poti: au revior
Laich: au revior
Schultz: au revior
Alzner: bonjour forever
Varly: bonjour forever, if healthy and great in the playoffs
Bradz: love him but only on the cheap
Hannan: 3yrs at 3mill sounds great. 2yrs might be a better call.
Knoobs: love him but he is getting old.
Arnott: looks great. if healthy I'd love to have him back.
Sturm: I like him alot too on a cheap contract.

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Would love to have him, but I don't think Arnott is gonna happen. Too many things need to come together to fit him under the cap without giving up a significant piece, IMO:

Tinkering with NBTW's lineup:

FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Marcus Johansson ($0.900m) / Mike Knuble ($2.000m)
Brooks Laich ($3.500m) / Jason Arnott ($3.000m) / Alexander Semin ($6.700m)
Cody Eakin ($0.660m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Eric Fehr ($2.200m)
Matt Hendricks ($0.825m) / Boyd Gordon ($0.800m) / Matt Bradley ($1.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.512m)

DEFENSEMEN
Scott Hannan ($3.500m) / Mike Green ($5.250m)
Karl Alzner ($2.500m) / John Carlson ($0.845m)
Tom Poti ($2.875m) [or Schultz] / Dennis Wideman ($3.937m)
John Erskine ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth ($1.150m) / Semyon Varlamov ($1.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,394,850; BONUSES: $80,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$1,994,850

-- many changes that depend on trade partners, willingness to deal, and convincing UFAs: (-Chimera, -Schultz, +Arnott, +Hannan)
-- very optimistic salary figures (Laich, Alzner, Knuble, Arnott, Eakin or another capable player for ~1m)
-- salary cap actually has to rise by ~2mil even for this to be possible

..unlikely, I think.

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Knoobs: love him but he is getting old.
Arnott: looks great. if healthy I'd love to have him back..
whats the difference between these two? well...knuble has been out performing arnott for years. still is. if both are available on one year contracts why let knuble go and keep arnott? frankly the caps need both of them.

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whats the difference between these two? well...knuble has been out performing arnott for years. still is. if both are available on one year contracts why let knuble go and keep arnott? frankly the caps need both of them.
well, arnott's a center...

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I'm going to go ahead and say it. I don't think Eakin should be on the Capitals next year. At least not to start the season.

I know he looked great in camp, and I know Boudreau said he was close. But I see no reason to fast-track him given the situation our team is in. Give him time in Hershey and use him as an injury call-up.

If he absolutely goes nuts during the AHL play-offs, maybe I change my mind. But I see no reason why giving him more time to play against men before calling him up will hurt his development. We have plenty of youth on the team as it is.

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I think at least one bottom-6 forward spot should be open in camp. Whoever earns that spot, whether it's Eakin, Gordon, King, or someone else should make the team, regardless of experience/contract considerations.

Some competition in training camp would be a good thing.

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whats the difference between these two? well...knuble has been out performing arnott for years. still is. if both are available on one year contracts why let knuble go and keep arnott? frankly the caps need both of them.
what no he hasnt maybe when arnott was in nj but stats from 07-11 are:

arnott 276 95 109 204
knuble 304 105 86 191

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Mike Knuble ($2.100m)
Brooks Laich ($3.200m) / Jason Arnott ($3.300m) / Alexander Semin ($6.700m)
Jason Chimera ($1.875m) / Marcus Johansson ($0.900m) / Eric Fehr ($2.200m)
Matt Hendricks ($0.825m) / Boyd Gordon ($0.880m) / Jay Beagle ($0.512m)
/ D.J. King ($0.637m) / Andrew Gordon ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Mike Green ($5.250m) / Jeff Schultz ($2.750m)
Scott Hannan ($3.200m) / Dennis Wideman ($3.937m)
Karl Alzner ($2.200m) / John Carlson ($0.845m)
/ John Erskine ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth ($1.150m) / Semyon Varlamov ($1.150m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,851,795; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $148,205


I honestly can't see Hannan, Poti and Schultz on the same roster next season. One has to go. Hannan's been everything this defense corps has been lacking for years and GMGM is a fool if he doesn't re-up this guy. As for the other two, my preference to leave is Poti given the injury issue versus Schultz's youth.

As for the forwards, Eakin would have to blow up during the Hershey playoffs to earn a roster spot. I think he and Orlov will need a full year in Hershey before making the full time jump to DC.

I'd let Bradley walk if only for the fact that he costs more than Boyd. As for the upper tier forwards, Arnott, like Hannan, was the 2C the team sorely lacked and he would make a perfect 1 year stopgap before handing over the reins of the 2C to Johannson in 2012-13. I hope he sticks around for another season. I feel the same way about Knuble for another year or two. Guy is an automatic 20 goals from 3 feet from the net...I dont care about his age. With that production how can you not resign him?

As for Laich, honestly, I like him but I don't think he's worth 3.5 million. He's a 3-3.2 million dollar guy IMHO. Part of me almost wishes he goes to Edmonton for something outrageous like 4.5 million and that just frees up cash for retaining Hannan, Arnott and Knuble for the next two seasons.

Now someone mentioned moving Chimera....I really like Chimera, but if it meant cap space to retain guys like Arnott, Hannan and Laich, I'd be for that. That gives guys like Andrew Gordon a shot in the bottom six.

As for Varly, meh...its kinda like the Semin negotiations re: Backstrom...GMGM needs to just say...youre not making more than the guy who stays healthy the entire season. 1.15 or walk. We like you but let's be honest we have Holtby....at half the price.

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what no he hasnt maybe when arnott was in nj but stats from 07-11 are:

arnott 276 95 109 204
knuble 304 105 86 191
years is too strong. the last two years. knuble's game has been right on his career norms. arnott's game has suffered a significant drop off.

arnott: 09-10 63games 19g(from 33) 10-11 69 games 15 goals
knuble: 09-10 69games 29g 10-11 71games 20g.

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Its hard not to like Knuble. But was Arnott also a part of the greatest offensive show on earth? Knuble buries his head stick on the ice and drives the net and gets his 20 but what do you think Arnie would pot on line 1 with Ovi?

They are very different players on different teams, so I see little value to compare their stats. They have in common...both are big old right hand shot forwards. Zing.

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i dont see arnott spending much time on the first line. do you?
knuble has been getting his numbers whether on line 1 or not.

btw....my preference is to keep them both. my point is that two and three seasons ago arnott scored 29 and 33 goals on the trap city nashville preds. he's not a 20 goal scorer anymore. meanwhile offense first or defense first, knuble is still getting his 20+.

lets remember the greatest offensive show on ice isnt in washington anymore.

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