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03-25-2011, 10:21 AM
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Alexander Ragulin - Sprague Cleghorn
Barclay Plager - Barry Beck
Ian Turnbull -

Pretty fearless bunch, eh? Good luck getting past the top four, Turnbull appears to be the only defenseman with any speculation of softness. What kind of defenseman should I look to complete the unit?

Someone to protect Turnbull on the third pairing? or another two-way defenseman, so I can move Beck to the third line with Turnbull, and have Barc Plager paired with the other defenseman. Not sure entirely where to go with this next pick.

I have my special teams units pick for D.

PP1: Turnbull - Cleghorn
PP2: Ragulin - Beck

PK1: Plager - Cleghorn
PK2: Ragulin - Beck

Is Plager a better PKer than Ragulin? I think they're pretty close and I'm happy to have both, because they are both legitimate options for a first penalty kill unit.

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03-25-2011, 10:26 AM
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My special teams are almost finalized, will probably take another defenseman as an extra pk option, unless folks think James Patrick is capable of the role.

Anyway this is how I think I'll make the special teams units,

PP1
Toe Blake-Syd Howe-Ace Bailey
Bobby Rousseau-Brad Park

PP2
Gaye Stewart-Vincent Lecavalier-Eddie Oatman
Doug Weight-James Patrick

Weight will take draws and move back.

PKF
Mike Ricci-Jack Walker
Syd Howe-Bobby Rousseau
Pit Martin-Ace Bailey

PKD
Kevin Lowe-Bill White
Brad Park-Bob Dailey

Any concerns or suggestions?
Love your pp pointmen. Forwards are arranged well but aren't the most talented group offensively after toe Blake.

I'd prefer to have someone better than ricci on the first pk unit, but not sure who you have who is better and can take face-offs.

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03-25-2011, 10:32 AM
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I'm also not quite sure of my special teams. Here's what I have so far...

PP1
Kariya - Lemieux - Mikhailov
Suchy - Persson

PP2
Bobrov - Federko - Oliver
Conacher - XXXXX

PK1
Tremblay - Bourne
Conacher - Schoenfeld

PK2
XXXXX - Getliffe
Suchy - Svoboda

I'm going to draft a PP specialist/#6 D-Man with one of my upcoming picks, but my real issue lies with a few things:

1. I'm debating between Getliffe, Dornhoefer, Bonin, and Mikhailov for my 2nd PK forwards. Who would you guys suggest? What about Mario? Could I take "that" route with my PK in an ATD setting?
2. Am I putting too heavy of a workload on Persson by using him on the PP and PK? I assume Suchy can handle it, but not sure about Persson. Problem is, it's either I put Persson out on both, or Svoboda...
3. Could Conacher potentially be a PP point man? If not, could any forwards maybe play the point and I could maybe use a Dornhoefer/4th line PP guy up front?

Here's the rest of my roster, for reference:

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03-25-2011, 10:57 AM
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Dwight, my biggest concern is that your 2nd unit doesn't have a credible net presence, unless I'm missing something about bobrov (possible).

1. Did dornhoefer pk in real life? My impression is that he's probably too slow for it. First impression is getliffe and mikhailov. I wouldn't give Mario pk ice time unless you ate trailing, only because he is so injury prone.

2. I do see persson as a reinhart-like pp specialist, so I would not use him as a regular pker. Now that I look, persson is better on the pp than anyone you are likely to draft from here on out and should probably be first unit.
3. Conacher had a big slapshot, which I think he could use on a 2nd pp.


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03-25-2011, 11:01 AM
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I'm also not quite sure of my special teams. Here's what I have so far...

PP1
Kariya - Lemieux - Mikhailov
Suchy - XXXXX

PP2
Bobrov - Federko - Oliver
Svoboda - Persson

PK1
Tremblay - Bourne
Conacher - Schoenfeld

PK2
XXXXX - XXXXX
Suchy - Persson

I'm going to draft a PP specialist/#6 D-Man with one of my upcoming picks, but my real issue lies with a few things:

1. I'm debating between Getliffe, Dornhoefer, Bonin, and Mikhailov for my 2nd PK forwards. Who would you guys suggest? What about Mario? Could I take "that" route with my PK in an ATD setting?
2. Am I putting too heavy of a workload on Persson by using him on the PP and PK? I assume Suchy can handle it, but not sure about Persson. Problem is, it's either I put Persson out on both, or Svoboda...
3. Could Conacher potentially be a PP point man? If not, could any forwards maybe play the point and I could maybe use a Dornhoefer/4th line PP guy up front?

Here's the rest of my roster, for reference:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=3...8&postcount=27

Thanks gang
I'd keep Mikhailov off the pk if possible.

He should be your captain btw.

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03-25-2011, 11:06 AM
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Dwight, gillies tremblay can definitely pk. I'd probably put him on the second unit with getliffe. Mikhailov/Mario can take a pk shift once in awhile if you are down late in games.

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03-25-2011, 11:16 AM
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Dwight, my biggest concern is that your 2nd unit doesn't have a credible net presence, unless I'm missing something about bobrov (possible).

1. Did dornhoefer pk in real life? My impression is that he's probably too slow for it. First impression is getliffe and mikhailov. I wouldn't give Mario pk ice time unless you ate trailing, only because he is so injury prone.

2. I do see persson as a reinhart-like pp specialist, so I would not use him as a regular pker. Now that I look, persson is better on the pp than anyone you are likely to draft from here on out and should probably be first unit.
3. Conacher had a big slapshot, which I think he could use on a 2nd pp.
What if I switched Oliver with Dornhoefer? Or I move a forward to the point so Oliver can stay in the PP units?

Yeah, Getliffe/Mikhailov is what I was really thinking. I can't find anything about Bonin to say that he played the PK (though he was solid at both ends of the ice)

2. Noted. Moving Persson to the 1st unit and Conacher to the 2nd with Svoboda, though I think I'll switch Petr out with a more offensive guy that I will hopefully draft. As for the PK, I'll put Svoboda there in Persson's spot.

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I'd keep Mikhailov off the pk if possible.

He should be your captain btw.
You think? I know the person who picked him last year used him on the PK. And more of a captain than Mario? Again, you sure about that?

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Dwight, gillies tremblay can definitely pk. I'd probably put him on the second unit with getliffe. Mikhailov/Mario can take a pk shift once in awhile if you are down late in games.
I have Tremblay on my 1st unit with Bourne. Again, I'm trying to find something about Bonin that suggests that he could PK. If not, I could maybe draft a PK guy with my last starting forward pick and go

Tremblay-Bourne
XXXXX-Getliffe
Mikhailov-Mario (if we're trailing)

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03-25-2011, 11:21 AM
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Looking for advice for my PP:

Olmstead-Sittler-Litzenberger
Robinson-Geoffrion


OR

Olmstead-Sittler-Geoffrion
Robinson-Schneider

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03-25-2011, 11:24 AM
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Looking for advice for my PP:

Olmstead-Sittler-Litzenberger
Robinson-Geoffrion


OR

Olmstead-Sittler-Geoffrion
Robinson-Schneider
Personally, I like Boom Boom at the point

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03-25-2011, 11:26 AM
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Boom boom should always be on the point next to a defenseman who can set him up.

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03-25-2011, 11:28 AM
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Dwight, I think drafting a pk specialist forward, perhaps one who could knock Bourne or tremblay down to the second unit would be wise.

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03-25-2011, 11:29 AM
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You think? I know the person who picked him last year used him on the PK. And more of a captain than Mario? Again, you sure about that?
He's be decent PKer, but that would really stretch his minutes. He's already on the 1st line and the 1st PP, so giving him major PK minutes, especially given his rugged style, would wear him down. Considering he's not that good a PKer anyway, it's not worth it. I'm trying to keep Ullman off my PK for the same reasons, though he is quite a bit better on the PK.

Mario was a decent captain, but Mikhailov was like the Soviet version of Mark Messier. He'd definately by my captain.

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03-25-2011, 11:36 AM
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Dwight, I think drafting a pk specialist forward, perhaps one who could knock Bourne or tremblay down to the second unit would be wise.
I'm starting to think you're right. Hopefully I can find one.

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He's be decent PKer, but that would really stretch his minutes. He's already on the 1st line and the 1st PP, so giving him major PK minutes, especially given his rugged style, would wear him down. Considering he's not that good a PKer anyway, it's not worth it. I'm trying to keep Ullman off my PK for the same reasons, though he is quite a bit better on the PK.

Mario was a decent captain, but Mikhailov was like the Soviet version of Mark Messier. He'd definately by my captain.
Well alright then, I guess Mario will have to be an A, along with Schoenfeld(?)

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03-25-2011, 11:41 AM
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Normally, I'm against two linemates having letters, but Mario definitely needs one so he can 'talk' to the refs.

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I took some time to examine how recorded assists would have changed Alf Smith's point finishes, and I'd like to share that

According to the SIHR study, Smith had 23 assists from 1903 to 1909. He had an average of 0.72 assists per game, so I just used that per game average to figure out how many assists to give him. I also adjusted other guys we know the per game averages for, and also gave some guys the benefit of assumed assists (if he jumped up to a tie for 5th with a guy who we don't know assists for, I just gave that guy an assist and dropped Smith to 6th).

Scoring placements:
1896 - he goes from 9th to 7th
1897 - he goes from 6th to 2nd
1898 - he goes from a tie for 1st to a decent lead for 1st
1904 - he goes from 8th to 7th
1905 - he goes from 4th to 3rd
1906 - he stays in 9th
1907 - he goes from 7th to 4th
1908 - he goes from 9th to 8th

I'm not trying to pass these off as his new finishes, becuse I have no idea how his assists were actually spread out. I just spread them perfectly even though his entire career, which is unlikely.

I am just trying to demonstrate the types of adjustments that should be expected if assists were recorded during Alf Smith's days.

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03-25-2011, 12:33 PM
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Here's my line up have a couple of questions:

Elias-Gretzky-McDonald
Clark-Savard-Pronovost
Berlinquette-Kasper-Foligno
XXX - XXX - XXX

Lidstrom-Konstantinov
Suter-Smith
Iafrate-Langevin

In all of my pairing I have a good offensive defenseman , so I would like to have 3 lines capable of scoring goals for the transition and to fully take advantage of my transition game , and it's obvious my 3rd line is basically there for all defensive missions/reponsabilities with the Berlinquette-Kasper duo and Mike Foligno on top of that.
Question is , should I make a 4th line with offensive players or a hard 4th line tough and physical? I think I'm gonna go with 3 decent offensive players and just play with 3 offensive line with 1 defensive.Thoughts?

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03-25-2011, 12:35 PM
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Mario was a decent captain, but Mikhailov was like the Soviet version of Mark Messier. He'd definately by my captain.
I kindda disagree , I would give the C to Mario no matter what to be honest.His importance is too enormous and he did take a team on his back while beign captain for back-to-back cups.

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03-25-2011, 01:09 PM
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Mikhailov is a better leader than Mario IMO. But I would still probably give Mario the C

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Reen, it really depends on who you are planning on matching up against your opponent's top lines.

Also, are you going full run and gun or do you want some form of balance?

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Alexander Ragulin - Sprague Cleghorn
Barclay Plager - Barry Beck
Ian Turnbull -

Pretty fearless bunch, eh? Good luck getting past the top four, Turnbull appears to be the only defenseman with any speculation of softness. What kind of defenseman should I look to complete the unit?

Someone to protect Turnbull on the third pairing? or another two-way defenseman, so I can move Beck to the third line with Turnbull, and have Barc Plager paired with the other defenseman. Not sure entirely where to go with this next pick.

I have my special teams units pick for D.

PP1: Turnbull - Cleghorn
PP2: Ragulin - Beck

PK1: Plager - Cleghorn
PK2: Ragulin - Beck

Is Plager a better PKer than Ragulin? I think they're pretty close and I'm happy to have both, because they are both legitimate options for a first penalty kill unit.
I'd say Ragulin is better, he's well known for being a monster in front of the net.

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I think it was Markus Naslund who said Mario was a great leader because of his aura of invincibility. He was so sure victory was inevitable that it rubbed off on his teammates.

And if Mikhailov is a great leader, why was Vasliev chosen as captain?

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03-25-2011, 03:02 PM
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Love your pp pointmen. Forwards are arranged well but aren't the most talented group offensively after toe Blake.
Agreed, but as long as they work well together I think they will produce enough.

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I'd prefer to have someone better than ricci on the first pk unit, but not sure who you have who is better and can take face-offs.
Well Pit Martin was apparently pretty good on draws, a couple quotes lifted from seventies bio:

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Originally Posted by Johnny Bower
He was a good, clean player. A good faceoff man."
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Originally Posted by The Rangers, The Bruins and the End Of an Era (interview with Earl Ingarfield)
Q: Who were some of the tougher centers to win faceoffs against for you?

A: Oh boy. Well I guess Delvecchio. Another fellow I had trouble with was Pit Martin that played with Boston and Chicago.
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Just a little guy but holds his own against every center he faces
He was also referred to one of the best defensive centers of the 1970's along with Walt Tkaczuk by the Great Book of Hockey.

I could switch him with Ricci.

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03-25-2011, 03:51 PM
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Kevin Stevens - Doug Gilmour - Glenn Anderson
Ray Whitney - Joe Malone - Rick Tocchet
Hec Kilrea - Butch Goring - Kevin Dineen
Rabbit McVeigh - xxxxxxxx - Tomas Sandstrom

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