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03-25-2011, 09:10 PM
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Tony Marinaro should talk about it during L'Antichambre tonight.

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03-25-2011, 09:21 PM
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Don't know if I want anything longer than 3 years.
I don't see how Markov and co won't ask for 5.5 or 6 million either.

We all know PG has 100% gotta look at next year's RFA's (Price) and then Subban the year after..

Lot's of $$ hasto be spent wisely.
Both will be RFA after next year...

Markov is worth his cost... contrary to some little forwards.

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He's worth at least as much as Komisarek....

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Meehan: no Markov talks until end of season

With rumours flying that the Habs have offered Andrei Markov only a 1-year deal, the assistant captain's agent tells CJAD 800 there will be no contract talks until THE END of the season.

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Both parties should sign for a year and let the insurance premium rate go down.

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If we lose Markov to Washington this summer...

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03-26-2011, 12:14 AM
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If we lose Markov to Washington this summer...
Stop your scare mongering. It was the same antics 4 years ago when he had his first opportunity to go elsewhere. Oh noes, he is buddy with Ovy, Oh noes, he gonna sign there fo sho!!!

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03-26-2011, 12:15 AM
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Stop your scare mongering. It was the same antics 4 years ago when he had his first opportunity to go elsewhere. Oh noes, he is buddy with Ovy, Oh noes, he gonna sign there fo sho!!!
ok and what if he signs with Pittsbrugh ?

If we don't sign him he'll be gone at July 1st at 12:01, you better believe it.

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03-26-2011, 01:06 AM
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No long term deals for Captain Band-aid.

I'm offering 1 year at 4.25

If the Markov camp says no, then trade his rights before July 1.

Can't prove he's durable enough, let alone his career playoff numbers drop drastically from his regular season averages..........

The Markov era is near the end.

The Subban era has begun.

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03-26-2011, 01:06 AM
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Stop your scare mongering. It was the same antics 4 years ago when he had his first opportunity to go elsewhere. Oh noes, he is buddy with Ovy, Oh noes, he gonna sign there fo sho!!!
Just like how Boucher wasn't going anywhere, right?

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03-26-2011, 01:10 AM
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No long term deals for Captain Band-aid.

I'm offering 1 year at 4.25

If the Markov camp says no, then trade his rights before July 1.

Can't prove he's durable enough, let alone his career playoff numbers drop drastically from his regular season averages..........

The Markov era is near the end.

The Subban era has begun.
We would be allowed to have multiple talented D at once, heck we might even let them play together.

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03-26-2011, 01:13 AM
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He's worth at least as much as Komisarek....
Komisarek isn't worth Komisarek's contract.

I would say $4.25 a year, for a year or two.

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03-26-2011, 01:15 AM
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8 year contract front loaded, 3.5-4.0 cap hit. That would be ideal. Would be moveable even when he's in the last two years. Also not too hard to swallow if he gets injured again.


That would be high risk high reward but I like it. When was the last time the Habs gambled anyway ?

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$5,75mil/year for 3 years is what Meehan and Markov want?????
For what? 2 years of absence.

It's not Markov's fault that he is made of glass, but it's not the Habs' fault either...

Up to me:
$4mil/year...1 year deal (or 2 years, MAX).

We will continue losing our 2nd Round Picks trying EVERY YEAR to replace Markov's absence. (ex: 2nd Round Pick for Wiz...great acquisition btw!). PK Subban was drafted in...2nd Round (we need to keep our 1st and 2nd Round Picks, unless...we're going for a Cup).


And, remember...we need to save money for our MVPs/IRON-MEN:
Price and PK Subban (and then...Eller, Pacioretty,etc).


Habs being loyal to Markov? Let's see how loyal Markov can be to our Habs. $4mil/year is a lot of $$$$$$$$ (1 year or 2).
He made $5,75mil/year in the last 2 years...barely played.

GM Gauthier's aim should be to sign...IRON-MEN.
(fed up of players made of glass...even if it's not their fault doesn't mean we should sign GLASS-MEN).

3 years is a risk with Markov? For sure. Lots of suffering for us Hab fans if we keep signing Markov to long-term deals...imo.
If we do have to take a chance with a post-surgery dman...for me it's with Josh Gorges. I believe that he can come back a new and energized dman.


And, remember...Markov in Playoffs was always lukewarm. VERY lukewarm.


$4mil/year and he should take it with a wide smile.

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03-26-2011, 01:59 AM
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$5,75mil/year for 3 years is what Meehan and Markov want?????
For what? 2 years of absence.

It's not Markov's fault that he is made of glass, but it's not the Habs' fault either...

Up to me:
$4mil/year...1 year deal (or 2 years, MAX).

We will continue losing our 2nd Round Picks trying EVERY YEAR to replace Markov's absence. (ex: 2nd Round Pick for Wiz...great acquisition btw!). PK Subban was drafted in...2nd Round (we need to keep our 1st and 2nd Round Picks, unless...we're going for a Cup).


And, remember...we need to save money for our MVPs/IRON-MEN:
Price and PK Subban (and then...Eller, Pacioretty,etc).


Habs being loyal to Markov? Let's see how loyal Markov can be to our Habs. $4mil/year is a lot of $$$$$$$$ (1 year or 2).
He made $5,75mil/year in the last 2 years...barely played.

GM Gauthier's aim should be to sign...IRON-MEN.
(fed up of players made of glass...even if it's not their fault doesn't mean we should sign GLASS-MEN).

3 years is a risk with Markov? For sure. Lots of suffering for us Hab fans if we keep signing Markov to long-term deals...imo.
If we do have to take a chance with a post-surgery dman...for me it's with Josh Gorges. I believe that he can come back a new and energized dman.


And, remember...Markov in Playoffs was always lukewarm. VERY lukewarm.


$4mil/year and he should take it with a wide smile.
That was exactly BGs plan when he assembled this team. Look at the games played prior to coming here for guys like Cammy, Gionta, Moen, Gill and Gomez. Adding these guys to our existing iron men like Gorges and Hammer was supposed to help keep our team intact for the season, we have just happened to have the worst luck in the league for the last two years.

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03-26-2011, 02:10 AM
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Man, so much blabla over Markov here. Not to mention ridiculous ''deals'' like Markov agreeing to around 4M.

Markov will re-sign for the same type of money, and if he wants 3years, management will give it to him, and I'm totally fine with that.

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03-26-2011, 02:28 AM
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Just like how Boucher wasn't going anywhere, right?
Just like Plekanec was going elsewhere, right, and Markov 4 years ago with Washington, right?

And Boucher did go to Columbus too, right?

If the Habs want to sign Markov, he'll come back. Why would he leave now that they're better then they've been in ages (considering his absence, and Gorges too, and the rest of the many injuries)? He seemed to really like Subban too. He finally has someone really good to play on the right side.

Sure Markov could sign elsewhere, but do you seriously believe that those are the odds? If I were to bet on that, I would put my money on Markov staying, and that's not based on pure guessing, nor on a childish conception that the negative preconclusion is the one to always be expected as the result. It's based on knowing Markov chose Montreal over other cities before, for close to less than free market value (could easily have had 6 on the market) while he already had the opportunity to join Ovy in Washington, and just didn't. knowing he also said he wanted to stay in Montreal before that signing, and has made that comment yet again last summer (like Plekanec also did before signing back).

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Just like Plekanec was going elsewhere, right, and Markov 4 years ago with Washington, right?

And Boucher did go to Columbus too, right?

If the Habs want to sign Markov, he'll come back. Why would he leave now that they're better then they've been in ages (considering his absence, and Gorges too, and the rest of the many injuries)? He seemed to really like Subban too. He finally has someone really good to play on the right side.

Sure Markov could sign elsewhere, but do you seriously believe that those are the odds? If I were to bet on that, I would put my money on Markov staying, and that's not based on pure guessing, nor on a childish conception that the negative preconclusion is the one to always be expected as the result. It's based on knowing Markov chose Montreal over other cities before, for close to less than free market value (could easily have had 6 on the market) while he already had the opportunity to join Ovy in Washington, and just didn't. knowing he also said he wanted to stay in Montreal before that signing, and has made that comment yet again last summer (like Plekanec also did before signing back).

Nobody doubts his desire to return - but ''if'' we only offer him 1 year, and Washington offers him 3 or 4.... He'd be a dummy to not take the longer contract.

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I hope its a bah joke. We dont need Markow anymore.

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Man, so much blabla over Markov here. Not to mention ridiculous ''deals'' like Markov agreeing to around 4M.

Markov will re-sign for the same type of money, and if he wants 3years, management will give it to him, and I'm totally fine with that.

To those who are afraid of losing Markov:
We lost him 2 years ago...not Markov's fault but he is made of glass (extremely injury prone).

That Grabovski bodycheck that seriously injured Markov should tell us everything...he's made of glass. $5,75mil/year is waaaaaaaay too much of a risk for the team. Replace Markov with an iron-man top 4 dman.


Next season:
Top 4 iron-man(ufa) - Wiz??
Hamrlik or Gill - Subban
Gorges - Sopel
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Spacek
Mara
Weber
M.Carle





3 years at $5,75mil/year...too HUGE of a RISK. And...we need that money for PRICE and PK SUBBAN.



Top 4 iron-man d-man (3-4year contract) >>>>>>>> Markov (made of glass and very average in playoffs)




Markov's value before July 1st? : maybe we can get a 2nd Round Pick from Washington? (signing rights).
Example: Wiz + 2nd Round Pick >>>>>>> Markov (very injury prone AND very average in playoffs).


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The Markov situation is a tough one. No one really knows the answer. On the one hand he is always been an awesome defenseman. He is the type of guy you would want in your teams core. He was the Habs best player for years.

On the other hand you have a guy who spent the better part of the last two years injured. He suffered recurring injuries in his knee area. It's not his fault. He was not injury prone, but after sustaining that injury twice he may actually be more injury prone in the future.

To pay him big money and see him get injured yet again would be very hard to take, especially when there are other UFAs we could afford with his cap space. To lose him to another team, and watch him succeed there would be equally hard to take. No one knows what the future holds. The Markov situation is delicate.

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Nobody doubts his desire to return - but ''if'' we only offer him 1 year, and Washington offers him 3 or 4.... He'd be a dummy to not take the longer contract.
You do know that when the agent says 'we'll wait till the season is over', well that doesn't mean July 1st...

You have the causality in reverse. If Markov absolutely doesn't want one year, the Habs will know that waaaay before July 1st. And then it will become a matter of settling on how many years. If Markov doesn't sign back, and signs elsewhere for several seasons, it's NOT because team X or Y will have offered him those years versus what the Habs offer, but rather because the Habs will already have refused to give those years and be hard pressed on ONE year no matter if it means losing him if he refuses. In your 'scenario', everything seems to happen all at once, on July 1st, just like in a video game, as if the Habs can't negociate in the off-season prior to July 1st.

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You do know that when the agent says 'we'll wait till the season is over', well that doesn't mean July 1st...

You have the causality in reverse. If Markov absolutely doesn't want one year, the Habs will know that waaaay before July 1st. And then it will become a matter of settling on how many years. If Markov doesn't sign back, and signs elsewhere for several seasons, it's NOT because team X or Y will have offered him those years versus what the Habs offer, but rather because the Habs will already have refused to give those years and be hard pressed on ONE year no matter if it means losing him if he refuses. In your 'scenario', everything seems to happen all at once, on July 1st, just like in a video game, as if the Habs can't negociate in the off-season prior to July 1st.
do you really think his agent waits until july 1st to see if there's any interest elsewhere?

If the Caps are hypothetically interested in Markov, they'll manage to let his agent know of that well before July 1st. If anything, his agent will use outside interest as a bargaining chip.

At the end of the day, it's not a question of dates and calendars, but whether or not PG is willing to risk a multi-year deal on a d-man whose been injured more than healthy for quite awhile now.

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The Markov situation is a tough one. No one really knows the answer. On the one hand he is always been an awesome defenseman. He is the type of guy you would want in your teams core. He was the Habs best player for years.

On the other hand you have a guy who spent the better part of the last two years injured. He suffered recurring injuries in his knee area. It's not his fault. He was not injury prone, but after sustaining that injury twice he may actually be more injury prone in the future.

To pay him big money and see him get injured yet again would be very hard to take, especially when there are other UFAs we could afford with his cap space. To lose him to another team, and watch him succeed there would be equally hard to take. No one knows what the future holds. The Markov situation is delicate.
Actually, he had more risk of re-injuring himself with the operation he had last year vs the one he had this year. This time he got a transplant from a donor. So it's the same complete ligament, instead of being an extract from another part of his body. Justin Williams had the same surgery and he's doing fine.

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do you really think his agent waits until july 1st to see if there's any interest elsewhere?
Sigh. There are some serious rules against that. The Leafs got fined for that.

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If the Caps are hypothetically interested in Markov, they'll manage to let his agent know of that well before July 1st. If anything, his agent will use outside interest as a bargaining chip.
He can't talk of precise (Wsh) outside interest before July 1st other than mentioning the possibility of receiving (any) offers after July 1st, which then becomes a case of the interest of the parties, which is usually, in the case of offers before the open market, done on the belief that both parties want a signing, which then makes the threat of waiting till July 1st contrary to the spirit of wanting to find grounds for agreement. So your theory is based on the assumption that Meehan will dangle the possibility of July 1st, which I think is highly unlikely, especially if Markov WANTs to stay.

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At the end of the day, it's not a question of dates and calendars, but whether or not PG is willing to risk a multi-year deal on a d-man whose been injured more than healthy for quite awhile now.
Here again, you're basing yourself on a rumored assumption. Meehan didn't say Markov refused to sign one year. He said that there will not be any negociations until the season is over. Dates on a calendar are important, because they give the Habs quite enough time to talk to Markov and settle on common grounds, without any other teams having anything to do with their talks.

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Just heard per Tony Marinaro/Team 990 that PG approached the Markov camp today with a 1yr contract. Donny Meehan countered with a 3yr deal. No solid details on the value but Tony said its around the same as his current contract (5.75).

The Canadiens want Markov back and he wants to be back. Something should get signed soon!

I stopped reading at the part where it said Tony Marinaro

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