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10-11-2009, 01:20 PM
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Oskari Lehtinen played his first game today with TPS C-juniors and had 8 goals and 7 assists.

15 points in one game should be some kind of record in this level. I know the opponent's team was crappy, so it's not that big of a deal, but still.
are you serious? MANCRUSH! well 6 P in 6 G with Jr.B as 15 year old is ok but that Jr.C game shows he may have HUGE potential. Or am i Wrong? how easy is Jr. C?

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Oskari Lehtinen played his first game today with TPS C-juniors and had 8 goals and 7 assists.

15 points in one game should be some kind of record in this level. I know the opponent's team was crappy, so it's not that big of a deal, but still.
Damn it! TPS won the KKP 24-0 and dropped Ässät to fifth place in junior C qualification (equal points but they had better goals/concended ratio). Ässät won them only 10-1. However, Ässät won TPS by 6-0 earlier this season.

15 points is great achievement but the opponent was crappy. I even think Erik Haula's 8 points of 9 goals against lukko few years ago was a bigger thing.

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Some younger forwards that are doing well statistically

97-born:

Joonas Niemelä - Blues
C2 (-96) YA-division South: 15gp 20g+16a=36p
C2 (-96) YA-Tournaments: 8gp 10g+7a=17p

Julius Nättinen - JYP
C1 (-95) SM-Sarja: 23gp 9g+13a=22p
C1 (-95) Qualification: 10gp 13g+10a=23p
C2 (-96) YA-division North: 2gp 2g+3a=5p
C2 (-96) YA-Tournaments: 2gp 2g+2a=4p

Aleksi Saarela - Lukko
C1 (-95) SM-Sarja: 1gp 1g+1a=2p
C1 (-95) Qualification: 1gp 1g+0a=1p
C2 (-96) YA-division South: 12gp 20g+21a=41p
C2 (-96) YA-Tournaments: 8gp 11g+12a=23p

Jonne Tammela - YJK
C2 (-96) YA-division North: 16gp 24g+22a=46p
C2 (-96) YA-Tournaments: 10gp 12g+16a=28p

98-born:

Emil Oksanen - Blues
D1 (-97) Finland Lions Cup: 8gp 7g+5A=12p (Top scorer of the tournament)
D2 (-98) Quebec International: 4gp 5g+4a=9p (2nd best scorer for Finland Selects)
D2 (-98) Puchkov Cup 2010: 7gp 8g+2a=10p (Top scorer of Finland Selects East)

Jesse Puljujärvi - TIHC (Kärpät in YA-Tournaments)
C2 (-96) YA-Tournaments: 8gp 6g+4a=10p
D2 (-98) Quebec International: 4gp 2g+6a=8p (3rd best scorer for Finland Selects)
D2 (-98) Puchkov Cup 2010: 6gp 12g+5a=17p (Best player of the tournament, top scorer of Finland Selects West)

Aapeli Räsänen - Tappara
C2 (-96) YA-division South: 8gp 3g+5a=8p
C2 (-96) YA-Tournaments: 4gp 0g+1a=1p
D2 (-98) Quebec International: 4gp 2g+8a=10p (Top scorer for Finland Selects)

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How was the "Finnish selects" team selected? Based into the wealth of parents?

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How was the "Finnish selects" team selected? Based into the wealth of parents?
There are expenses like in all activities, but the try-outs are open to everyone. If you want to read more about it, here's a LINK (In Finnish).

Naturally there are good players outside of this Selects activity, but the three 98-born forwards mentioned above are certainly among the most advanced in their age group at the moment. Puljujärvi and Räsänen are big kids for their age, but have played YA-games (ylialueellisia otteluita) with the 96-born, and Oksanen seems to be doing well with the 97-born.

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Aleksi Saarela was clearly the top scorer at Pohjola camp that was held for 97-born players. LINK

1. Saarela Aleksi - Lukko (7+9=16p)
2. Tuominen Joni - Ilves (8+1=9p)
3. Niko Lönnroos - HIFK (5+4=9p)
4. Löyttymäki Aaro - TPS (4+5=9p)
5. Nikolai Baranov - Jokerit (5+2=7p)
-. Joonas Niemelä - Blues (5+2=7p)
7. Peltonen Niko - Lukko (4+3=7p)
-. Tammela Jonne - YJK (4+3=7p)
9. Nättinen Julius - JYP (3+4=7p)
-. Palmu Petrus - Jokipojat (3+4=7p)

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Aleksi Saarela was clearly the top scorer at Pohjola camp that was held for 97-born players. LINK

1. Saarela Aleksi - Lukko (7+9=16p)
2. Tuominen Joni - Ilves (8+1=9p)
3. Niko Lönnroos - HIFK (5+4=9p)
4. Löyttymäki Aaro - TPS (4+5=9p)
5. Nikolai Baranov - Jokerit (5+2=7p)
-. Joonas Niemelä - Blues (5+2=7p)
7. Peltonen Niko - Lukko (4+3=7p)
-. Tammela Jonne - YJK (4+3=7p)
9. Nättinen Julius - JYP (3+4=7p)
-. Palmu Petrus - Jokipojat (3+4=7p)
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Pohjola camp for 96-born players

All Stars:
GK - Joonas Harald (Pelicans)
D - Joni Tuulola (HPK)
D - Jaakko Hälli (Tappara) - MVP Award
F - Manu Honkanen (TPS)
F - Miikka Pitkänen (KalPa)
F - Joel Kiviranta (Jokerit)

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Is there any first round potential? Armia 2011, Määttä 2012, Ristolainen 2013?, 2014?

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Is there any first round potential? Armia 2011, Määttä 2012, Ristolainen 2013?, 2014?
2011:
1. Joel Armia (Likely 1st rounder)
2. Christopher Gibson (2nd round?)
3. Samu Perhonen (2nd or 3rd round?)
4. Miikka Salomäki (2nd, 3rd or 4th round?)
5. Sami Salminen (Mid to late rounder?)
6. Markus Granlund (Mid to late rounder?)
7. Jyrki Jokipakka (Mid to late rounder?)
8. Alexander Ruuttu (Possible late round pick?)
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-. Juha-Pekka Pietilä (Huge steps in development, could be seen as a project?)
-. Mika Partanen (Memorial Cup the last chance to shine?)
-. Samuli Piipponen (Finally healthy, needs to make the WU18C’s team and perform.)

2012:

1. Olli Määttä (Possible 1st or 2nd rounder?)

-. Ville Pokka (How much will he be able to improve his mobility?)
-. Kalle Torniainen (Has skill and wheels, but is smallish and weak)
-. Teuvo Teräväinen (Has skill and vision, but is smallish and weak)
-. Mikko Lehtonen (A lot to like, but NA defensemen are often bigger)
-. Mikko Vainonen (Seems like a reliable defenseman)
-. Markus Kojo (Size, grit and a mean attitude)
-. Oskari Setänen (Weak year for goalies, my best guess at the moment)
-. Henri Ikonen (Pretty good wheels and a good shot, could be more creative)

A lot will happen before the draft, so we will partially be talking about different guys next year.

2013:
1. Aleksandr “Sasha” Barkov (Potential 1st or 2nd rounder?)
2. Rasmus Ristolainen (Potential 1st or 2nd rounder?)
3. Ville Husso (A promising goalie, but is HIFK the best place for development?)

A lot will change during the next two years, so it’s early to be talking about this draft. It’s really hard to predict the future of some of the smaller players like Juuso Ikonen, Artturi Lehkonen, Jonatan Tanus, Kevin Lankinen, Aleksi Mustonen and Sami Anttila. Some of the bigger guys showing promise are Eetu Koivistoinen, Atte Mäkinen (The defenseman from Tappara), Joose Antonen and Saku Salminen. Overall there’s enough depth to be optimistic about the possibility of seeing a Finnish 1st rounder in 2013. In the end the 1st rounder could end up being someone that’s not making much noise at the moment.

2014:
None of the forwards that I’ve seen this year have impressed me that much. This draft could be similar with 2012 and have better prospects in the defensive end. You don’t have to be a fortune teller to tell that Joni Tuulola, Alex Lintuniemi, Jaakko Hälli and Eetu Sopanen are among the defensemen that are worth keeping an eye on as potential draft picks. Still, it’s really early and there’s plenty of time for surprises.


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-. Mikko Lehtonen (A lot to like, but NA defensemen are often bigger)
How many Mikko Lehtonens do we need? ^^

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Tomek Valtonen put Alexander Ruuttu's physique in order, I trust he will do the same with Teräväinen.

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2014:
Have you seen the Mäkinen twins from Jokerit? Are they any good?

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How many Mikko Lehtonens do we need? ^^
As many as it takes for one of them to make it for real in the NHL?

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Tomek Valtonen put Alexander Ruuttu's physique in order, I trust he will do the same with Teräväinen.
Ruuttu's physique is by no means in order, he has grown a lot and it will take a few years for him to grow into his body. He's about 6'1'' tall at the moment and still fairly scrawny. The growth, some added muscle and improved confidence/bravery are behind his newfound success. Like all coaches, Valtonen surely has some advice to give to his trainees, but he's still green in his new occupation and inexperience can lead to mistakes in such a demanding job.

Teräväinen has a skillset that could potentially take him far in hockey, but developing into a NHL player would most likely require a late growth spurt, and a bus load of heart and dedication. Finland will eventually have its own version of Zetterberg/Datsyuk, but over the years there have been plenty of smallish puck wizards that have peaked while playing in Mestis or SM-liiga, so count the odds.

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Have you seen the Mäkinen twins from Jokerit? Are they any good?
They have enough skill and vision to be good offensive players in Jr.C as underagers, beyond that it's hard to tell what becomes of them. Next year will be a lot more revealing once some players from this age group start playing in Jr.B. At the moment I think that Joni Tuulola is the top Finnish prospect for the 2014 NHL draft and is the only player that has really caught my attention (from the players that I've seen). After that everything is open for discussion.


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Kalle Torniainen is together with Zibanejad probably the most interesting talent among Djurgårdens many good junior forwards. The problem is that theres so many good older junior forwards to fight for icetime with. If he played for another SEL-team he would have a much better chance to be go-to-guy for a superelit-team next season and even manage to grab a spot/get some games in Elitserien. Torniainen could even end up spending a big chunk of next season in the j18-team which would not be good for his draftstock. I love to have him in Djurgården, but to have a better chance to be drafted high he should probably play for another team.


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Tanus and Barkov destroyed Ässät in C-junior Semis today, Barkov had 7 points, Tanus 5. They both have 12points in 4 playoff games. Can someone give an accurate scouting report on these two players? Are they near Granlund/Pulkkinen or even Rajala? Barkov seems to be very, very interesting prospect. 183cm at 15y old, could be close to 190cm when fully grown. Tanus seems to be in the mold of Rajala and Granlund, only 175cm, but he still has room to grow.

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Tanus and Barkov destroyed Ässät in C-junior Semis today, Barkov had 7 points, Tanus 5. They both have 12points in 4 playoff games. Can someone give an accurate scouting report on these two players? Are they near Granlund/Pulkkinen or even Rajala? Barkov seems to be very, very interesting prospect. 183cm at 15y old, could be close to 190cm when fully grown. Tanus seems to be in the mold of Rajala and Granlund, only 175cm, but he still has room to grow.
Sasha's dad was a wonderful playmaker and was pretty tall too... Close to 190cms. So Sasha can still grow a bit...

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Haven’t seen them enough to go in-depth, but overall the 95-born age group seems to have some promising forwards. Many of them are on the smaller size, so it’s too early to talk about NHL potential in most cases. In the end the top forward from this age group might be someone who’s flying under the radar at the moment.

Forwards making the most noise ranked based on my preference at the moment, don’t take it too seriously:

1. Aleksandr ”Sasha” Barkov – A centre forward that has a good head for the game, can be used in all situations. Good puck handling skills, a good wrister and knows how to dish the puck. Looks taller than 183cm. Needs more speed in order to become better involved with the game at Jr.A level. Could develop into a NHL player, if he has enough desire for the game. Not the best comparison, but think of Mikko Koivu with a bit more flair.

2. Artturi Lehkonen – A nifty forward with a good shot and a surprisingly well developed two-way game. Smallish, skinny and not very explosive at the moment, but those things can improve over time. Fairly similar offensive vision and skill level with Markus Granlund and Teuvo Teräväinen, but it seems that Lehkonen has a slightly better overall understanding of the game. Already at this age he’s actively blocking shooting lanes and taking the time and space away from opponents. I have a gut feeling that he’s a winner type.

3. Juuso Ikonen – Possibly the most talented of the bunch, but also the smallest one, so his future is a big question mark. Quick hands, quick feet and a quick head, all working together seamlessly. Intensity, heart, courage and skill.

4. Eetu Koivistoinen – Skill, size and a pretty good skating ability considering his size and age. Handles the puck well and has a decent scoring touch, can take part to some nice offensive plays. The question is; how much of his success is based on size and early development, and how much on pure skill and hockey sense? It’ll be interesting to see him play in Jr.A, because that’ll give a better picture of his value as a prospect.

5. Jonatan Tanus – A racy winger with good intensity in his game, has good puck skills and is a pretty strong/fast skater compared to many of his peers. Looks shorter than 175cm. Sometimes he’s bit of a puck hog, because his desire to be a difference maker is so strong. Overall a good player for his age, but it’s hard to predict his future because of his smallish frame.

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Haven’t seen them enough to go in-depth, but overall the 95-born age group seems to have some promising forwards. Many of them are on the smaller size, so it’s too early to talk about NHL potential in most cases. In the end the top forward from this age group might be someone who’s flying under the radar at the moment.

Forwards making the most noise ranked based on my preference at the moment, don’t take it too seriously:

1. Aleksandr ”Sasha” Barkov – A centre forward that has a good head for the game, can be used in all situations. Good puck handling skills, a good wrister and knows how to dish the puck. Looks taller than 183cm. Needs more speed in order to become better involved with the game at Jr.A level. Could develop into a NHL player, if he has enough desire for the game. Not the best comparison, but think of Mikko Koivu with a bit more flair.

2. Artturi Lehkonen – A nifty forward with a good shot and a surprisingly well developed two-way game. Smallish, skinny and not very explosive at the moment, but those things can improve over time. Fairly similar offensive vision and skill level with Markus Granlund and Teuvo Teräväinen, but it seems that Lehkonen has a slightly better overall understanding of the game. Already at this age he’s actively blocking shooting lanes and taking the time and space away from opponents. I have a gut feeling that he’s a winner type.

3. Juuso Ikonen – Possibly the most talented of the bunch, but also the smallest one, so his future is a big question mark. Quick hands, quick feet and a quick head, all working together seamlessly. Intensity, heart, courage and skill.

4. Eetu Koivistoinen – Skill, size and a pretty good skating ability considering his size and age. Handles the puck well and has a decent scoring touch, can take part to some nice offensive plays. The question is; how much of his success is based on size and early development, and how much on pure skill and hockey sense? It’ll be interesting to see him play in Jr.A, because that’ll give a better picture of his value as a prospect.

5. Jonatan Tanus – A racy winger with good intensity in his game, has good puck skills and is a pretty strong/fast skater compared to many of his peers. Looks shorter than 175cm. Sometimes he’s bit of a puck hog, because his desire to be a difference maker is so strong. Overall a good player for his age, but it’s hard to predict his future because of his smallish frame.
Thanks Tormentor, always excellent analysis.

Well, we all are pretty excited, that Finland is now producing skilled (altough small) forwards almost every year. That´s always a good sign. These players should be capable on scoring point per game next year in A-juniors. Interesting to see how they develop.

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Question to all you junior experts. What is the latest on Sami Salminen? I´ve been drooling over him (not literally) for a couple of years and waiting for him to become the next (or first) big finnish NHL-forward with some skill. Seems to me that he is battling injuries all the time but some sources say that he also has some attitude problems. Is this the truth or a myth? I know his skating is pretty weak, but it is undestandable for a kid of his size at this point.

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I wanted to do a small Finnish prospect ranking, 90-93 birth players.

1. Mikael Granlund - 1st rounder 2010 - Minnesota
2. Joel Armia - 2011 eligible
3. Teemu Pulkkinen - 4th rounder 2010 - Detroit
4. Miikka Salomäki - 2011 eligible
5. Joonas Donskoi - 3rd rounder 2010 - Florida
6. Markus Granlund - 2011 eligible
7. Sami Vatanen - 4th rounder 2009 - Anaheim
8. Teemu Hartikainen - 6th rounder 2008 - Edmonton
9. Erik Haula - 7th rounder 2009 - Minnesota
10. Jani Hakanpää - 4th rounder 2010 - St. Louis
11. Jyrki Jokipakka - undrafted, last time eligible in 2011
12. Toni Rajala - 4th rounder 2009 - Edmonton
13. Eero Elo - 5th rounder 2008 - Minnesota
14. Joonas Nättinen - 3rd rounder 2009 - Montreal
15. Jyri Niemi - 3rd rounder - NY Islanders, traded to NY Rangers in 2010

Any thoughts?

I did this pretty fast. Maybe forgot someone.

I believe ranking goalies is waste of time so didn't include Aittokallio, Ortio, Gibson, Perhonen, Iilahti, Similä, whoever to these rankings.

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Jani Lajunen? Or did you not include him because he has contract already?

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I wanted to do a small Finnish prospect ranking, 90-93 birth players.

1. Mikael Granlund - 1st rounder 2010 - Minnesota
2. Joel Armia - 2011 eligible
3. Teemu Pulkkinen - 4th rounder 2010 - Detroit
4. Miikka Salomäki - 2011 eligible
5. Joonas Donskoi - 3rd rounder 2010 - Florida
6. Markus Granlund - 2011 eligible
7. Sami Vatanen - 4th rounder 2009 - Anaheim
8. Teemu Hartikainen - 6th rounder 2008 - Edmonton
9. Erik Haula - 7th rounder 2009 - Minnesota
10. Jani Hakanpää - 4th rounder 2010 - St. Louis
11. Jyrki Jokipakka - undrafted, last time eligible in 2011
12. Toni Rajala - 4th rounder 2009 - Edmonton
13. Eero Elo - 5th rounder 2008 - Minnesota
14. Joonas Nättinen - 3rd rounder 2009 - Montreal
15. Jyri Niemi - 3rd rounder - NY Islanders, traded to NY Rangers in 2010

Any thoughts?
IMO, Vatanen should be ahead of Salomäki and Donskoi, possibly even Pulkkinen as well. Definitely ahead of Ma.Granlund too. Otherwise a pretty good list. My top 5:

1. Mikael Granlund
2. Joel Armia
3. Sami Vatanen
4. Teemu Pulkkinen
5. Joonas Donskoi
HM: Haula, Salomäki, Ma.Granlund

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