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03-29-2011, 09:02 AM
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Somehow this is Carter's fault, I just can't figure out how. I will though.

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03-29-2011, 09:28 AM
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Our PP sucking is a big reason why Richards points are down. He had 33 PPP in 07-08, has around half of that this year.
Reason why the PP is sucking is because of some of the stupid cross-ice, low percentage passes.

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Flyers still go as Richards goes

http://www.versus.com/blogs/the-dail...richards-goes/ by Bill Meltzer

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03-29-2011, 09:55 AM
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Bill Meltzer is kind of handsome, in a Bill Saget kind of way.


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Bill Meltzer is kind of handsome, in a Bill Saget kind of way.

You should meet him in person, he's dreamy (you're welcome, Bill!)....

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03-29-2011, 10:24 AM
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Yeah he certainly needs to pick up his level of play. He should be the least of our concern's though. He's always been able to amp up his level of play when it matters most and I have little doubt that he can't do it this year.

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03-29-2011, 11:16 AM
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Somehow this is Carter's fault, I just can't figure out how. I will though.
I was thinking the same thing. First I have to figure out how the earthquake and tsunami in Japan were his fault, then I'll try and help you figure out how Richards' play has deteriorated because of him.

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03-29-2011, 11:26 AM
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I was thinking the same thing. First I have to figure out how the earthquake and tsunami in Japan were his fault, then I'll try and help you figure out how Richards' play has deteriorated because of him.
You're right, the inconsistent play of Carter and Richards as well as their lackadaisical play at times has nothing to do with two of the core players who wear letters above the crest.

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03-29-2011, 11:26 AM
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Reason why the PP is sucking is because of some of the stupid cross-ice, low percentage passes.
Our PP sucking is not on any one player. Everyone on it is sucking

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03-29-2011, 11:28 AM
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Yeah he certainly needs to pick up his level of play. He should be the least of our concern's though. He's always been able to amp up his level of play when it matters most and I have little doubt that he can't do it this year.
When is "now"? Is it when they get bounced from the #1 seed by the Pens? Is it during the last game of the season where a win guarantees them home ice?(casue we know how clutch this crew is!!)When is it time to amp it up? When is it time to put forth a full 60 minutes of hockey? It has been awhile and I am still waiting.

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03-29-2011, 11:30 AM
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Our PP sucking is not on any one player. Everyone on it is sucking
Your best players and leaders need to be your best players on the ice when it counts. Giroux, Richards, and Briere are all guilty of the stupid, low % passes, but it is the leaders job, title, and responsibility to make sure everyone is on the same page playing together as a unit.

Guys trying to freelance is killing the PP. Get a chance, lose possession of the puck, watch it go back down the ice. Set up, repeat.

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03-29-2011, 11:48 AM
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I usually don't rag on Richards because he always leaves it all on the ice and has so many intangibles but this year he def is "off." Again my only knock on him is more off the ice as far as leadership...I'm not big on his good cop style with the rest the of the players particularly his posse. There is a reason Holmgren last year said Richards has to step it up as a captain/leader and is still learning. I don't now that he has the Pronger bad cop in him so not sure how effective he'll be in his leadership role going forward as the vets like Pronger and Kimmo retire...

Hopefully, he's just saving his energy for the playoffs...if he still plays "off"....we'll be screwed.

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03-29-2011, 11:54 AM
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Here are some more quotes. Look at the difference to addressing important issues. Read the quotes, Timonen, Meszaros, and Laviolette all address things as facts, to the point. Richards, "well, I guess we got beat, but it is not like we did not try. I mean we show up to games, after my nap, and want to win, but some nights, you know, we just don't feel like it.":


Richards was upset last Thursday after the team’s 2-1 home shootout loss to the Penguins. “They worked hard and probably out hit us a little bit in our own building which is disappointing,” the captain said that night. ”I’m not sure if it was just a letdown after having a good game (Tuesday against the Washington Capitals) or we didn’t have our legs but it was disappointing stuff.”


Kimmo Timonen echoed Richards’ sentiments that same night. “They outworked us and won all the one-on-one battles,” the defenseman said. ”If you don’t work, you’re in trouble,”


We just need more energy, passion, and more battling out there,” defenseman Andrej Meszaros said after Sunday night’s 2-1 home loss to the Boston Bruins.

“We’re battling for the division with them (Pittsburgh), so it is a little perplexing and something we’re going to have to figure out,” said head coach Peter Laviolette when asked about the Flyers’ performance after the loss to Pittsburgh.

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03-29-2011, 01:44 PM
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It comes down to playing with pride and refusing to lose, not expecting the flip a switch and just make it happen. Good teams prepare for the long run by fixing the little problems before they get into a playoff series.
I honestly agree with you on Richards. This is what confuses me about your take on Carter. To me, he is the most consistent player in terms of effort night to night. He never is too high or too low, he brings it every shift, never gets tired, always backchecks, always plays both ways (sometimes the shots are going in, sometimes not.....but same effort). Sure, he is not a big hitter or a physical player, but in terms of effort - in my books, Jeff Carter is the model.

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03-29-2011, 01:46 PM
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I don't want to get too negative on Richie as it will just seem "stupid" when he carries us through another playoff series. But, I agree......something is missing.....hoping the playoffs will bring it back. Tonight should be enough to get this team going.

Plus side - Loving the new lines!

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03-29-2011, 02:38 PM
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the morning crew on WIP with Jonesie and Morgantti tend to believe he's hiding and injury when forced to talk about it from time to time... because he is not the same player that we've grown to be used to seeing night in and night out even if he's not putting up points.
Yeah, his game has definitely been altered downward where energy and physical play are concerned.

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He's also had a few nasty slashes across the hands/thumbs too, but I do think he must be nursing a sore back or shoulders. He's very careful about his hits now, not his usual reckless self.
Hmmm, shoulder might make more sense than back.

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03-29-2011, 02:48 PM
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Our PP sucking is not on any one player. Everyone on it is sucking

It's all Gagne's fault.

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03-29-2011, 02:49 PM
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I honestly agree with you on Richards. This is what confuses me about your take on Carter. To me, he is the most consistent player in terms of effort night to night. He never is too high or too low, he brings it every shift, never gets tired, always backchecks, always plays both ways (sometimes the shots are going in, sometimes not.....but same effort). Sure, he is not a big hitter or a physical player, but in terms of effort - in my books, Jeff Carter is the model.
Carter and Richards are eerily similar. When both want to play at the top of their games they can be some of the best young players in the league, but their inconsistency is what gets me. I just find it disturbing that every year this team has the same issues down the stretch. Jeff Carter and Mike Richards can be lazy on skates, floating around much like I would criticize Zherdev. Problem is they are the leaders on the team and when times are tough the example should be on the ice and I do not always see it.

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03-29-2011, 03:10 PM
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I think it might come down to Richards not being in shape to play in the system. I remember earlier in the year the media was commenting on how he didn't show up to camp early and when he arrived he was getting beat in skating competitions. I think it may have to do more with attitude though. It takes Richards too much time to get started up. He glides into the zone, sees the puck going the other way and takes a few seconds to get his feet moving. He should be always moving his feet on the ice and fighting for the puck. He goes in on the forecheck and doesn't go for the puck, he checks the opposite side of the man. I hope Versteeg gets Richards to put more effort out, because Versteeg was really moving his feet last game.

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03-29-2011, 03:10 PM
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It's all Gagne's fault.
Well, since you mentioned it....Gagne last 5 games, 5 goals, 2 assists, 7pts.

Last 10 games, 6 goals, 5 assists, 11pts.

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03-29-2011, 03:11 PM
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Maybe we should just shelve Carter and Richards for the rest of the season? FYI, Mike Richards has not been "reckless" since his breakout season in 2007-08.

Once he got the big contract and he reached the 70pt plateau his game changed. Now he thinks he is Wayne Gretzky trying to make reckless cross-ice passes. That has nothing to do with a body injury, that is 100% mental.
Is there anybody on this hockey team that you do like?

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03-29-2011, 03:22 PM
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Is there anybody on this hockey team that you do like?
Timonen, Pronger, Briere, Giroux, JvR, O'Donnell, even Hartnell....you can go down the roster pretty much. Even though Hartnell falls more than anyone on skates, I see his effort on most night pretty consistent.

I am just a firm believer that when called upon your leaders need to be leaders and your best players be your best plaeyrs. People want to give praise to Carter and Richards when things are going well, but when you have issue that have now gone on for 3-4yrs, you have to look at the core to take that responsibility too.

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Well, since you mentioned it....Gagne last 5 games, 5 goals, 2 assists, 7pts.

Last 10 games, 6 goals, 5 assists, 11pts.
He was deadly on the PP.

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I honestly agree with you on Richards. This is what confuses me about your take on Carter. To me, he is the most consistent player in terms of effort night to night. He never is too high or too low, he brings it every shift, never gets tired, always backchecks, always plays both ways (sometimes the shots are going in, sometimes not.....but same effort). Sure, he is not a big hitter or a physical player, but in terms of effort - in my books, Jeff Carter is the model.
It's impossible to reason with him. You'll notice he hijacks pretty much every thread to make it about Carter. Look at his user name, look at his avatar, there is something really scary going on and it's so obviously personal he can't think or write properly. Everything that's wrong with this team is Carter's fault. Like Coburn's goal? If Carter wasn't on the ice it would have counted as 2 goals!

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It's impossible to reason with him. You'll notice he hijacks pretty much every thread to make it about Carter. Look at his user name, look at his avatar, there is something really scary going on and it's so obviously personal he can't think or write properly. Everything that's wrong with this team is Carter's fault. Like Coburn's goal? If Carter wasn't on the ice it would have counted as 2 goals!
We get some pretty obsessed...err interested fans on these forums, its entertaining.

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