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03-28-2011, 08:30 PM
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Utley has started to breakdown and this is why the Howard contract is more ridiculous. They could have moved Chase to 1st eventually like their was talk of, but now that is not an option.

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I don't know if I've said it in this thread or not, but they really need to consider putting Utley in the outfield next season. I'd be curious if they would have considered that knowing what they know now about Dom Brown this year. If they want him to still be productive when his contract is up, they have to get him in a position where he's not killing himself on a daily basis.

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I don't know if I've said it in this thread or not, but they really need to consider putting Utley in the outfield next season. I'd be curious if they would have considered that knowing what they know now about Dom Brown this year. If they want him to still be productive when his contract is up, they have to get him in a position where he's not killing himself on a daily basis.
Short sprints would probably only aggravate the knee.

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Short sprints would probably only aggravate the knee.
It's his body as a whole. It's the only thing they can do, or Utley is going to be out of baseball by the time he's 36.

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03-28-2011, 10:53 PM
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I don't know if I've said it in this thread or not, but they really need to consider putting Utley in the outfield next season. I'd be curious if they would have considered that knowing what they know now about Dom Brown this year. If they want him to still be productive when his contract is up, they have to get him in a position where he's not killing himself on a daily basis.
... it isn't like playing the OF is a whole lot less taxing physically than playing 2B. Guys go out to the OF because they aren't good enough to play the infield, not because of the physical toll.

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03-28-2011, 10:54 PM
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Dunno how he'd fare in the OF. Probably not well. Even if he can run down fly balls/gappers as that's less lateral movement there's still the question of how well he can get the ball back into the infield. Remember, Chase started out playing SS in college and then moved to 2B because he had issues throwing iirc.

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03-28-2011, 11:21 PM
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... it isn't like playing the OF is a whole lot less taxing physically than playing 2B. Guys go out to the OF because they aren't good enough to play the infield, not because of the physical toll.
Ok, but how many guys are still playing 2B into their mid-30s?

He'd be diving around less, not getting run into breaking up double plays, etc.

Not saying it would be as easy as putting him in the OF and telling him to go catch balls, but how else are you going to extend his career? Craig Biggio did it, so it's worth a shot. 1B isn't available, and eventually I think he'll end his career as a DH in the AL.

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03-28-2011, 11:36 PM
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Ok, but how many guys are still playing 2B into their mid-30s?

He'd be diving around less, not getting run into breaking up double plays, etc.

Not saying it would be as easy as putting him in the OF and telling him to go catch balls, but how else are you going to extend his career? Craig Biggio did it, so it's worth a shot. 1B isn't available, and eventually I think he'll end his career as a DH in the AL.
Yeah, you can say this of every player with a good bat.

Utley is 32 this season, that isn't old. An OF contingency plan is rather far off. There are a TON of middle infielders playing the position into their mid 30s. Rollins is playing a far more demanding position at the same age as Utley.

Biggio didn't move to the OF until he was 37.

It isn't like we're talking about catching, which is terrible on a guys knees and he's taking foul tips all season.

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According to ESPN, Lidge is out 3-6 weeks with shoulder problems. Utley said he hopes to return before the all star break.

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03-29-2011, 08:37 PM
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Contreras named closer in absence of Lidge.

I'll eat crow if it stays that way.

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Contreras named closer in absence of Lidge.

I'll eat crow if it stays that way.
It is the smart move IMO. Keep Madson where he has had success. Less change is better.

Lidge has a 12.5M option for next year (with a 1.5M buyout) so this year is big for him. Oswalt also ahs a 16M option for 2012 with a 2M buyout. Add in the expiring 11.5M from Ibanez, 8.5M from Rollins, 9.5M from Hamels, 4.5M from madson, 2.75M from Baez, 2.45M from Kenderick, 1.5M from Schneider, 1.6M from Gload, 1.35 from Romer, and 1.175 from Francisco.

We have alot of interesting decisions to make after this season. The #1 thing is lock up Hamels IMO, the figure out the closer spot.

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03-29-2011, 09:05 PM
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It is the smart move IMO. Keep Madson where he has had success. Less change is better.
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Definitely the most logical move.

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According to ESPN, Lidge is out 3-6 weeks with shoulder problems. Utley said he hopes to return before the all star break.
Ouch. I didn't realize Utley was that bad.

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Wow, I thought they were going to give him the job at this point.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/sports/ph...7a4a78c22.html

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I expect Blanton to be moved mid-season for a bat.

Hopefully not another old guy.

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03-30-2011, 02:22 PM
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I expect Blanton to be moved mid-season for a bat.

Hopefully not another old guy.
Not sure Blanton is going to net you much in a trade... baseball has really moved towards prioritizing youth returns in deals.

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Wow, I thought they were going to give him the job at this point.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/sports/ph...7a4a78c22.html
At 2B I was thinking he was getting it...

Interesting, guess it's Valdez or Orr...

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Wow, I thought they were going to give him the job at this point.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/sports/ph...7a4a78c22.html
Meh. Figured as much. I really think they should look at David Eckstein.

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Not sure Blanton is going to net you much in a trade... baseball has really moved towards prioritizing youth returns in deals.
A fringe playoff team could use a guy like Blanton. And who knows, it might not need to be a great return to be an upgrade over someone in our lineup at that point.

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03-30-2011, 03:23 PM
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We have alot of interesting decisions to make after this season. The #1 thing is lock up Hamels IMO, the figure out the closer spot.
Hamels could be such a dick in negotiations if he chose to. Our starting rotation (and team in general) is so old that it makes him exponentially more important to the long term sustainability of the team.

Not to mention I think he will be the best of the Big 4 this season.

Also, if Madson doesn't prove he can close this year and asks for more than he is getting now in negotiations I think he is gone, Lidge is definitely gone, Ibanez is definitely gone, Oswalt may be gone if he doesn't have a tremendous season (in an attempt to infuse some much needed youth into our team), Rollins should take a paycut after a third straight mediocre offensive season, etc. so we will have some money to play with.

How does Utley's contract work after he is forced to retire after the season? Does insurance pay some of it like in hockey?

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Hamels could be such a dick in negotiations if he chose to. Our starting rotation (and team in general) is so old that it makes him exponentially more important to the long term sustainability of the team.

Not to mention I think he will be the best of the Big 4 this season.

Also, if Madson doesn't prove he can close this year and asks for more than he is getting now in negotiations I think he is gone, Lidge is definitely gone, Ibanez is definitely gone, Oswalt may be gone if he doesn't have a tremendous season (in an attempt to infuse some much needed youth into our team), Rollins should take a paycut after a third straight mediocre offensive season, etc. so we will have some money to play with.

How does Utley's contract work after he is forced to retire after the season? Does insurance pay some of it like in hockey?
I'm sure the Phils have him insured.

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I'm sure the Phils have him insured.
Hopefully with Utley's team-first attitude he will take the appropriate approach and just call it quits to give us budget space to replace him, rather than putting us through what Brad Lidge and his absurd contract has for the last 2 seasons.

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Hopefully with Utley's team-first attitude he will take the appropriate approach and just call it quits to give us budget space to replace him, rather than putting us through what Brad Lidge and his absurd contract has for the last 2 seasons.
The ****? Why would Utley "call it quits"?

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The ****? Why would Utley "call it quits"?
You have to be extremely optimistic if you don't see the writing on the wall, HC. If he can't get back and play at a decent level this season for a prolonged period of time (which I am more and more becoming unsure of) then I just hope he doesn't "Brad Lidge" us, that's all.

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