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03-28-2011, 07:53 PM
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Must re-sign Mara. He's been terrific since coming back. Added much energy and toughness. Willing to drop the gloves when required and an awesome team man.

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UFAs:
Andrei Markov(5.75) -- 5.00 1 year
Roman Hamrlik(5.5) -- Walk
James Wisniewski(3.25) -- 4.00 2 year
Brent Sopel(2.333) -- Walk
Hal Gill(2.25) -- Walk
Alex Auld(1.0) -- 1.00 1 year
Paul Mara(750k) -- 750k 1 year
Jeff Halpern(600k) -- Walk
Curtis Sanford(550k) -- 750k 1 year
Mathieu Darche(500k) -- Walk
J.T. Wyman(550k) -- 550k 2 year
Drew MacIntyre(500k) -- 500k 1 year

RFAs:
Andrei Kostitsyn(3.25) -- 3.5 3 year
Benoit Pouliot(1.35) -- If Martin coaching, trade. New coach 1.5 3 year
Josh Gorges(1.1) -- 1.3 3 year
Max Pacioretty(910k) 1.5 2 year
Yannick Weber(875k) 875k 3 year
Ryan White(850k) 875k 3 year
Mathieu Carle(660k) 660k 1 year
Nigel Dawes(650k) Gone
Dustin Boyd(650k) Gone
Alexandre Picard(600k) Gone
Ryan Russell(550k) 550k 1 year
David Desharnais(550k) 1.0 2 year
Kyle Klubertanz(550k) 550k 1year
Frederic St. Denis(550k) Gone
Tom Pyatt(500k) Gone

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03-28-2011, 09:49 PM
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Still deciding about some to make an assessment especially the D. Different variables to consider for instance Paul Mara. He's been doing a good job but compared to the other Habs D-men he is very well rested. So would he look as good as some of the other guys had he played the same schedule? Last year he didn't contribute near as much and was injured himself.

Not sure when I'll be done assessing. LOL

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03-30-2011, 07:47 AM
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I find it amazing that people want to keep guys like Hamrlik and Darche.

We need to move on from these types of players.
Yeah heaven forbid we have a defenseman that can play both ends of the ice or a forward that is a team player, goes to the net and always works his butt off.

Darche to me is a no brainer unless he suddenly wants 2 mil per year, he's worth 700-800k on a one way deal, very solid bottom 6 guy that can occasionally help on the top lines and the PP, very good value for his cap hit and he is great with the young players plus a postive attitude.

Hamrlik may or may not be back but it won't be because they don't want him, if they can't move Spacek they may not have the room(roster or cap room) to re-sign Hammer.

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And I really don't want Hamrlik back, he's finished.
That's a completely ridiculous statement, the guy plays the 2nd most minutes on a team in 6th place, against top players and is +7 with 33 points.

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Yeah heaven forbid we have a defenseman that can play both ends of the ice or a forward that is a team player, goes to the net and always works his butt off.

Darche to me is a no brainer unless he suddenly wants 2 mil per year, he's worth 700-800k on a one way deal, very solid bottom 6 guy that can occasionally help on the top lines and the PP, very good value for his cap hit and he is great with the young players plus a postive attitude.

Hamrlik may or may not be back but it won't be because they don't want him, if they can't move Spacek they may not have the room(roster or cap room) to re-sign Hammer.
Another guy that I'm shocked more people don't want back is Halpern. At 33, he's got a few good years left and he's an extremely useful player in a lot of ways. Sure, he's not a sexy player but much like Darche and Hamrlik, the guy flat out GETS THINGS DONE out there. He's got 26 points (I consider 30 points to be the benchmark for an elite bottom 6 player, and they generally earn 2 million - I'd have to think Halpern would re-up for 800K).

He's shown he can do well on the wing, he's a stud on faceoffs and he is a great PKer. Very stable player that makes very few mistakes.

Whoever said, earlier in this thread, to get rid of him and bring back Metro is out of his mind, IMO. They produce roughly the same amount of points, only Halpern gets all of his at even strength and Metro is a liability at even strength (see playoff ice time lastyear). Halpern is great on draws, Metro average. Halpern can kill penalties, Metro can't. And Desharnais has basically taken Metro's "small PP specialist" role.

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03-30-2011, 08:38 AM
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Another guy that I'm shocked more people don't want back is Halpern. At 33, he's got a few good years left and he's an extremely useful player in a lot of ways. Sure, he's not a sexy player but much like Darche and Hamrlik, the guy flat out GETS THINGS DONE out there. He's got 26 points (I consider 30 points to be the benchmark for an elite bottom 6 player, and they generally earn 2 million - I'd have to think Halpern would re-up for 800K).

He's shown he can do well on the wing, he's a stud on faceoffs and he is a great PKer. Very stable player that makes very few mistakes.

Whoever said, earlier in this thread, to get rid of him and bring back Metro is out of his mind, IMO. They produce roughly the same amount of points, only Halpern gets all of his at even strength and Metro is a liability at even strength (see playoff ice time lastyear). Halpern is great on draws, Metro average. Halpern can kill penalties, Metro can't. And Desharnais has basically taken Metro's "small PP specialist" role.
Yeah, at a reasonable price you bring Halpern back for a year, Engqvist will probably be ready for 2012-2013. Plus if you want to keep Eller and DD at center Halpern has shown to be just as good on the wing.

I think guys like Darche Halpern DD Pouliot Hamrlik and Subban have been part of the reason we have done even better this year with similar injuries to last year.

If we want to upgrade the toughness of the bottom 6 I'd start by moving Pyatt before Halpern or Darche.

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If I was PG, I'd seriously consider trading Spacek to Edmonton for Souray, then burying Souray in the minors to save cap space.
We run the risk of Souray being claimed on waivers. He would definitely attract attention at 2.75m with on year left. So unless he is not subjected to possibly being picked up. This could backfire on us.

UFAs:
Andrei Markov(5.75) - $5.75m, three years
Roman Hamrlik(5.5) -- Walk
James Wisniewski(3.25) -- $4.5m, four years (Odds are we are not getting him for less. I would try four though)
Brent Sopel(2.333) -- $1.5m, two years
Hal Gill(2.25) -- $2.0m, two years
Alex Auld(1.0) -- $1.0m, one year
Paul Mara(750k) -- Walk
Jeff Halpern(600k) -- $0.750m, one year
Curtis Sanford(550k) -- $0.750m, one year
Mathieu Darche(500k) -- Walk
J.T. Wyman(550k) -- $0.550, two years
Drew MacIntyre(500k) -- $0.500m, one year

RFAs:
Andrei Kostitsyn(3.25) -- $3.5m, one year (Would pursue other options first though)
Benoit Pouliot(1.35) -- Walk
Josh Gorges(1.1) -- $2.5m, three years (If we low ball him. He will get an offer sheet)
Max Pacioretty(910k) -- $1.5m, two years
Yannick Weber(875k) -- $1.00m, two years (Would try three)
Ryan White(850k) -- $.850m, three years
Mathieu Carle(660k) -- $0.660m one year
Nigel Dawes(650k) -- Walk
Dustin Boyd(650k) -- Walk
Alexandre Picard(600k) -- Walk
Ryan Russell(550k) -- $0.550m, one year
David Desharnais(550k) -- $1.0m, two year
Kyle Klubertanz(550k) -- $0.550m, one year
Frederic St. Denis(550k) -- Walk
Tom Pyatt(500k) -- $0.500m, two years

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03-30-2011, 08:55 AM
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We run the risk of Souray being claimed on waivers. He would definitely attract attention at 2.75m with on year left. So unless he is not subjected to possibly being picked up. This could backfire on us.
If he is claimed on waivers, the team that claims him picks up 100% of the salary. I didn't suggest to waive him down and then recall him. I want to keep him down in Hamilton to have his salary off the books.

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UFAs:
Andrei Markov(5.75) $4mill/1yr
Roman Hamrlik(5.5) $3mill/2yrs
James Wisniewski(3.25) $3.5mill/3yrs
Brent Sopel(2.333) WALK
Hal Gill(2.25) WALK
Alex Auld(1.0) WALK
Paul Mara(750k) WALK
Jeff Halpern(600k) WALK
Curtis Sanford(550k) $600,000/1yr
Mathieu Darche(500k) $750,000/1yr
J.T. Wyman(550k) same
Drew MacIntyre(500k) same

RFAs:
Andrei Kostitsyn(3.25) $3.75mill/1yr
Benoit Pouliot(1.35) WALK
Josh Gorges(1.1) $2mill/2yrs
Max Pacioretty(910k) $2mill/3yrs
Yannick Weber(875k) $1mill/2yrs
Ryan White(850k) $900,000/2yrs
Mathieu Carle(660k) same
Nigel Dawes(650k) same
Dustin Boyd(650k) WALK
Alexandre Picard(600k) same
Ryan Russell(550k) same
David Desharnais(550k) $750,000/3yrs
Kyle Klubertanz(550k) same
Frederic St. Denis(550k) same
Tom Pyatt(500k) WALK

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I'm not completely up on all the cap rules (particularly when it comes to RFAs), so bear with me on this one.


UFAs:
Andrei Markov(5.75) - Offer 1 year at same salary or 2 years at 10 million. Not much else out there on the market.
Roman Hamrlik(5.5) - Time to let him walk.
James Wisniewski(3.25) - 4 year, 18 million.
Brent Sopel(2.333) - Let him walk
Hal Gill(2.25) - 1 year, 2.25 million
Alex Auld(1.0) - Let him walk...maybe come back to him if Ramo doesn't come over.
Paul Mara(750k) - Let him walk
Jeff Halpern(600k) - Let him walk
Curtis Sanford(550k) - I'd give him the same salary to play in Hamilton
Mathieu Darche(500k) - I'd give him another year at $500k
J.T. Wyman(550k) - Let him go if he wants to try his luck in another org.
Drew MacIntyre(500k) - Let him go.

RFAs:
Andrei Kostitsyn(3.25) - Can't see him getting more than 1 year. Probably around the same salary or slightly less. Try to trade him.
Benoit Pouliot(1.35) - Same as AK...1 year deal similar salary but try to trade him.
Josh Gorges(1.1) - I'd give him 3 years at around 8-9 million
Max Pacioretty(910k) - 2 year deal, similar salary to Pouliot.
Yannick Weber(875k) - 1 year deal. I'd offer him less on a 1 way deal ($600k)
Ryan White(850k) - 1 year deal. Less money on a 1 way deal ($600k)
Mathieu Carle(660k) - 1 year deal.
Nigel Dawes(650k) - 1 year deal.
Dustin Boyd(650k) - Let him go.
Alexandre Picard(600k) - Let him go.
Ryan Russell(550k) - Let him go.
David Desharnais(550k) - 1 year deal. $600k one way deal.
Kyle Klubertanz(550k) - Let him go.
Frederic St. Denis(550k) - Let him go.
Tom Pyatt(500k) - Move him if possible.

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Yeah heaven forbid we have a defenseman that can play both ends of the ice or a forward that is a team player, goes to the net and always works his butt off.

Darche to me is a no brainer unless he suddenly wants 2 mil per year, he's worth 700-800k on a one way deal, very solid bottom 6 guy that can occasionally help on the top lines and the PP, very good value for his cap hit and he is great with the young players plus a postive attitude.

Hamrlik may or may not be back but it won't be because they don't want him, if they can't move Spacek they may not have the room(roster or cap room) to re-sign Hammer.
Ok let's keep the exact same team... no worries, right?

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I find it amazing that people want to keep guys like Hamrlik and Darche.

We need to move on from these types of players.


I agree. Why would the Habs want the two players who know how to score goals by going to the net? And one is a d-man! Why would the Habs want two players who have contributed immensely and combined may cost the Habs about 4 mil? Why the Habs would want these two players is beyond me.

The Habs are loaded with "these types of players" that have moxie around the net. Let's keep Gill instead who's biggest skill is laying down on the ice.

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I agree. Why would the Habs want the two players who know how to score goals by going to the net? And one is a d-man! Why would the Habs want two players who have contributed immensely and combined may cost the Habs about 4 mil? Why the Habs would want these two players is beyond me.

The Habs are loaded with "these types of players" that have moxie around the net. Let's keep Gill instead who's biggest skill is laying down on the ice.
Because I have high standards them simply squeeking into the playoffs every year...

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Ok let's keep the exact same team... no worries, right?
Who is saying we should have the exact same team. Even during this year we have added Wisniewski Mara Sopel Pacioretty DD White Weber since opening night.

Guys I would move...Spacek, try and move him to a team that needs a veteran and some money to get to the cap floor(going up this summer).

Pouliot...if I could get a similar reclamation project type guy...Skille Bergfors Radulov? Little or get a picka nd go after Upshall.

Pyatt...replace him by a tough winger like Winchester.

Picard...use that spot for Weber and/or Mara

Gomez...I would see if there is interest, may have to wait 6-7 months and try to raise his stock then move him.

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Who is saying we should have the exact same team. Even during this year we have added Wisniewski Mara Sopel Pacioretty DD White Weber since opening night.

Guys I would move...Spacek, try and move him to a team that needs a veteran and some money to get to the cap floor(going up this summer).

Pouliot...if I could get a similar reclamation project type guy...Skille Bergfors Radulov? Little or get a picka nd go after Upshall.

Pyatt...replace him by a tough winger like Winchester.

Picard...use that spot for Weber and/or Mara

Gomez...I would see if there is interest, may have to wait 6-7 months and try to raise his stock then move him.
Agreed. Although in Pouliot's case, we're talking about a guy who has barely seen the top 6 this year and still has 30 points (12 even strength goals, 4 game winners). Only 3 players on the team have more even strength goals than him. What's wrong with having a guy like that in your bottom 6? I wouldn't consider him a liability defensively either. If we adjust our expectations for him and consider him a bottom 6 guy that may someday develop into a consistent top 6, and pay him in the 1.5 mil range to put up the number he put up this year, it's a good deal IMO.

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Because I have high standards them simply squeeking into the playoffs every year...
Well we are 7 points into the playoffs so that's hardly squeaking in, until a week ago we were closer to 1st place Phillie than to 9th place Carolina. Plus that's with 2 of our best d-men out, including our #1 who played about 7 games and Pacioretty lately who was our hottest forward plus Cammaleri has been out a month.

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PG has a lot of work! Mainly because of the team policy to not offer any contract to any player during the season.

Not only that. He has to try to get rid of players like Gomez and Spacek (I guess he will try to). Only then, he will have an idea on how to spend the available money.

Other than that, I think Markov will be offered a good one-year deal to evaluate his health. But in the same time, I don't think he will accept a one-year deal if he doubts about his own health. I think some teams would offer him a 2 or 3 year deal.

Hamrlik wants to stay. With less icetime, he will remain a solid D for at least two more years. I'd keep him at less than 3M a year for 2 years. You could add a third year at 1M to decrease the impact on the cap.

I think Gill and Sopel will go. We need the same exact type of D's but with more grit.

I would keep Mara for the 6th or 7th spot.

Gorges : 3.8M/2years.

A.Kost is a solid 2nd line player and would pay him 2nd line type of money. Something like 6.5M/2years.

Max.Pac will get less than A.Kost. First of all, to evaluate him and also because he's just starting to be good. But personnaly, I would love to see him play for the habs for years to come.

Same thing than AK with Pouliot except that it would be more a 3rd liner type of money. I'd give a one-year deal to see if he can improve some aspects of his game.

Keepers : White, Darche (on a 3rd or 4th line please and at the same price), Desharnais (1M)
Out : Pyatt

And then add some toughness (one or two players than can play and drop them)

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Markov
Gorges
Kostitsyn

and think about the rest after

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Markov 4.5 x 8
Very front loaded . That way, if his knee isn't good ,he'll
probably retire after a year or two.

Any 2 of: Hammer 2.5x1
Gorges 2.25 x 3
Gill 2.25 x 1

Wiz 4.25x 3 without any " no trade clause "
Weber 650x1 one way
Mara 750x1

Auld 1.0 x 1

AK 3.5 x 3 I think there is enough chance this becomes
a bargain to risk a longer term.

Poulliot 1.5 x 3 It wouldn't take much improvement in
agility, and maybe focus ' for this to be a bargain. But I
don't think Pouliot has much bargaining power just now.

MaxPac 2.5 x 4 But if only 1 or 2 then 1.25 or 1.5

DD 1 x 1 One way Or maybe 1.2 x 3 in case this looks
like a steal, after next season.

Halpern Same as this year.

White 600 One way

Darche 600 One way

Pyatt Probably let go , as we have other needs

Sanford 550 But with a solid AHL salary, 200 maybe. As
long as he can come up in an emergency without re-entry
waivers.


Did I forget anyone interesting ?

All this assumes that no significant players are added
from outside the organization.

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At this point, our D is better off with Markov, Subban, and Wisniewski than with Weber. And when you keep the first 3, there is no room for a guy like Yannick. The rest of the D needs to be better in our end, bigger, tougher. Guys like Hamrlik, Gorges, and Gill, for example.

I'm all for trading Weber to improve the offense. Mara, to me, makes a fine #6/7, who shouldn't cost too much on the cap.

Markov - Gorges
Gill - Subban
Hamrlik - Wisniewski
Mara




Would be a phenomenal defense next year IMO, if it could fit under the cap somehow.
That is a verry nice D squad


I would try to replace hammer with a player a little bit more Physical

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This is the lines I would try working with:

Patches (875k/1.25) - xxxxx - Gionta (5)
Cami (5) - Pleks (5) - xxxx
AK (3.25/3.5) - Eller (875) - Moen (1.5)
Poulliot (1.35/1.35) - DD (550/850) - White (850/850)

Upgrade top center and top 6 winger (keep Gomez if we can't trade him)

Markov (5.75/5) - Gorges (1.1/2.5)
Gill (2/1.5) - PK (875k)
Hamrlik (5.5/3) - Wisniewski (3.25/4.25)

I would try to get 1 or 2 younger, tougher and good transition game dmens
(keep Gill, Hamrlik, Gorges if we can't upgrade them)


UFAs:
Andrei Markov(5.75) - 5 (5/1 years or lock up for 3-4 yrs with incentives)
Roman Hamrlik(5.5) - 3 (1-2 years)
James Wisniewski(3.25) - 4.25 (2-3 years)
Brent Sopel(2.333) - 0, back up plan
Hal Gill(2.25) - 1.5 (1 year)
Alex Auld(1.0) - 750k (1 year)
Paul Mara(750k) - 0, back up plan
Jeff Halpern(600k) - 0,
Curtis Sanford(550k) - .500 (1 year)
Mathieu Darche(500k) - 0, but keep in mind as back-up plan
Drew MacIntyre(500k) - 0

RFAs:
Andrei Kostitsyn(3.25) - 3.5 (2-3 years)
Benoit Pouliot(1.35) - 1.35 (1-4 years)
Josh Gorges(1.1) - 2.5 (1-4 years)
Max Pacioretty(875k) - 1.25 (1.25/1yr, 1.5/2 yr or lock up long term)
Yannick Weber(875k) - 850k (1 year, 1-way)
Ryan White(850k) - 650k (1 year, 1-way)
Mathieu Carle(660k) - 650k (1 year, 2-way)
Nigel Dawes(650k) - 650k (1 year, 2-way)
Dustin Boyd(650k) - 650k (1 year, 2-way)
Alexandre Picard(600k) - 600k (1 year, 2-way)
Ryan Russell(550k) - 0
David Desharnais(550k) - 850k (1-3 years, 1-way)
Kyle Klubertanz(550k) - 550k (1 year, 2-way)
J.T. Wyman(550k) - 550k (1 year, 2-way, will be UFA btw)
Frederic St. Denis(550k) - 550k (1 year, 2-way)
Tom Pyatt(500k) - 550k (1 year)

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[QUOTE=Habsrule;31957931]I will list all of out free agents that we have in the organization coming up. I will also list in brackets what they made this year. Please list what contract that you would be willing to offer to them.[quote]

UFAs:
Andrei Markov(5.75) - his choice between a 5.75 for one year, or a career contract averaged out at 4 million per season
Roman Hamrlik(5.5) - 3
James Wisniewski(3.25) - 4
Brent Sopel(2.333) - 0
Hal Gill(2.25) - 2.5
Alex Auld(1.0) - 0
Paul Mara(750k) - 0
Jeff Halpern(600k) - 750
Curtis Sanford(550k) - 600
Mathieu Darche(500k) - 600
J.T. Wyman(550k) - 550
Drew MacIntyre(500k) - 500

RFAs:
Andrei Kostitsyn(3.25) - 3.5
Benoit Pouliot(1.35) - 2
Josh Gorges(1.1) - 4
Max Pacioretty(910k) - 2.5
Yannick Weber(875k) - 1.5
Ryan White(850k) - 2
Mathieu Carle(660k) - 1
Nigel Dawes(650k) - 0
Dustin Boyd(650k) - 0
Alexandre Picard(600k) - 750
Ryan Russell(550k) - 600
David Desharnais(550k) - 1
Kyle Klubertanz(550k) - 550
Frederic St. Denis(550k) - 550
Tom Pyatt(500k) - 750

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That is a verry nice D squad


I would try to replace hammer with a player a little bit more Physical
I would also rather have Sopel than Mara for the 7th dman role.

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