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03-30-2011, 05:51 PM
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Its tempting to bash a guy because he isnt skating hard. We want to see guys tearing around the ice all the time, and if they arent, then we call them lazy. There are countless 4th line grinders and AHL players who do this. Hanging back and reading the play and then giving explosive bursts is a smarter way to play the game. It means that Richards is maturing and using his head to make the right play.

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Its tempting to bash a guy because he isnt skating hard. We want to see guys tearing around the ice all the time, and if they arent, then we call them lazy. There are countless 4th line grinders and AHL players who do this. Hanging back and reading the play and then giving explosive bursts is a smarter way to play the game. It means that Richards is maturing and using his head to make the right play.
Richards uses his head. He may wait for a play to develop. You're right, he certainly isn't lazy.

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This thread took an unexpected turn.

Anyway, I haven't been stunned with Richards' performance as of late, but he's always been a monster in the playoffs. Also, the team has so much depth that Richards holds a lot less of the responsibility on O. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, easily.

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03-31-2011, 09:26 AM
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I can completely understand getting drunk one night during a bad loss and being a total troll, bashing players because of a bad game (or games if it is a long losing streak)..... But to troll for as long as some do really indicates some sort of mental defect...... JMO

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03-31-2011, 10:01 AM
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Richards uses his head. He may wait for a play to develop. You're right, he certainly isn't lazy.
Richards uses this for motivation....



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03-31-2011, 10:34 AM
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Disagree, a captains job is to not only be a leader, but also the voice of the team and act as a voice between the players and the GM/coach. I do not think Richie is a bad captain, but his relationship with his peeps and his relationship with the guys in the locker room who are the veteran gets strained at times with this type of insolence.

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03-31-2011, 10:36 AM
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Disagree, a captains job is to not only be a leader, but also the voice of the team and act as a voice between the players and the GM/coach. I do not think Richie is a bad captain, but his relationship with his peeps and his relationship with the guys in the locker room who are the veteran gets strained at times with this type of insolence.
Did you even read the article?

Actually, I know you didn't for a fact. You read the title, it's about the media, not about him and the team.

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Disagree, a captains job is to not only be a leader, but also the voice of the team and act as a voice between the players and the GM/coach. I do not think Richie is a bad captain, but his relationship with his peeps and his relationship with the guys in the locker room who are the veteran gets strained at times with this type of insolence.
Disagree, a captains job is to get the team to win games. The team has gone on some good, deep post season runs, came within two games of winning a championship and currently is in 1st place..... Results.

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Did you even read the article?

Actually, I know you didn't for a fact. You read the title, it's about the media, not about him and the team.
He doesn't need to read the article, judging by his posts he obviously already has intimate knowledge of what goes on in both the locker room and in Richards and Carters brain.

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03-31-2011, 10:49 AM
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Did you even read the article?

Actually, I know you didn't for a fact. You read the title, it's about the media, not about him and the team.
Yes, one of the few ASF articles I have actually been able to finish. It is about the media and how they feel he is an insolent brat, and with his history it is certainly an area he needs to improve on.

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Yes, one of the few ASF articles I have actually been able to finish. It is about the media and how they feel he is an insolent brat, and with his history it is certainly an area he needs to improve on.
You are so full of **** its not even funny. Your other post has nothing...actually **** it, you seem like the type that simply wants a rise. You're right, he's insolent and should bow down to the media...oh and he should give me money too.

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Disagree, a captains job is to get the team to win games. The team has gone on some good, deep post season runs, came within two games of winning a championship and currently is in 1st place..... Results.
1st place but they are not prepared to play every game. Look at the last month for example. Before the win oveor the Pens the last time they had a "quality win"(a win over a team haeded to the playoffs) in regulation or OT was February 20th. That is over one month ago, and in that period they had losses to: Phx, Ott, Toronto, Buffalo, Rangers, Atlanta(2x), Caps, Bruins, and Pens. Captains job is to win games by preparing the team to go into battle every night ready to win, and if it results in a loss to talk to the media....that is part of his job and poor little Mikey does not like it.

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You are so full of **** its not even funny. Your other post has nothing...actually **** it, you seem like the type that simply wants a rise. You're right, he's insolent and should bow down to the media...oh and he should give me money too.
No, he should listen to Pronger and Timonen and just deal with the media, no need to give them any fuel for the fire. It is about having a captain who can lead the team on the ice and be mature enough to handle the issues off the ice. He gets paid good money to do what he does, to have to answer some stupid questions from an unintelligent Philly media(Meltzer excluded) is part of what is in his job description. Instead of being a baby, have fun with it.

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No, he should listen to Pronger and Timonen and just deal with the media, no need to give them any fuel for the fire. It is about having a captain who can lead the team on the ice and be mature enough to handle the issues off the ice. He gets paid good money to do what he does, to have to answer some stupid questions from an unintelligent Philly media(Meltzer excluded) is part of what is in his job description. Instead of being a baby, have fun with it.
Or perhaps he deals with it this way purposefully, to place the brunt of the criticism of the media on himself and make the focus of the media on himself, taking pressure of his teammates. Maybe he is an even greater leader then you can imagine.

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1st place but they are not prepared to play every game. Look at the last month for example. Before the win oveor the Pens the last time they had a "quality win"(a win over a team haeded to the playoffs) in regulation or OT was February 20th. That is over one month ago, and in that period they had losses to: Phx, Ott, Toronto, Buffalo, Rangers, Atlanta(2x), Caps, Bruins, and Pens. Captains job is to win games by preparing the team to go into battle every night ready to win, and if it results in a loss to talk to the media....that is part of his job and poor little Mikey does not like it.

They have won consistently with Richards as the captain, and the team has made multiple post season runs. The previous statement does not consist of opinions (as your statements do), rather, it consists of facts......

Maybe not spending so much time speaking with the media allows him to devote more time to being a captain..... But, it sounds like you're really close with the players on this team, and have personal interaction with Richards to base your opinion on. I guess the rest of us will have to base his captaincy ranking on inaccurate results.

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I'll take Richards as the leader of the Flyers and a valuable member of every Canadian team he's played on over some Philly media members who do nothing but mail it in. It's funny when the Canadian media talks about him and Carter there is so much respect but in the city they play in they're either **** on by the fans or media.

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03-31-2011, 11:17 AM
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Or perhaps he deals with it this way purposefully, to place the brunt of the criticism of the media on himself and make the focus of the media on himself, taking pressure of his teammates. Maybe he is an even greater leader then you can imagine.
You are talking about Pronger, not Richards.

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You are talking about Pronger, not Richards.
Actually, I believe it is Pronger who has called out and pointed fingers at his own players, thereby putting criticism directly on them. Perhaps Richards doesn't like to call out his own players to the media and prefers to do things behind close doors. Of course, judging by your posts we can just ask you about that as you have indepth knowledge of what goes on in the locker room.

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They have won consistently with Richards as the captain, and the team has made multiple post season runs. The previous statement does not consist of opinions (as your statements do), rather, it consists of facts......

Maybe not spending so much time speaking with the media allows him to devote more time to being a captain..... But, it sounds like you're really close with the players on this team, and have personal interaction with Richards to base your opinion on. I guess the rest of us will have to base his captaincy ranking on inaccurate results.
They have also had extended period with teh same issues, consistent play. Yes, they had a great run, but it took them winning on a shootout to get in during a season where they got their coach fired. Look back over the last couple years, look at the amount of >5 game losing streaks.

Playoff Richards is much like playoff Coburn, he has stepped up his game over past seasons. But right now I do not really think he knows what his game is? Is it bigtime scoring center, or shutdown center? But he needs to get this team over the hump, exorcising the demons of their past. That is what great leaders do.

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Disagree, a captains job is to not only be a leader, but also the voice of the team and act as a voice between the players and the GM/coach. I do not think Richie is a bad captain, but his relationship with his peeps and his relationship with the guys in the locker room who are the veteran gets strained at times with this type of insolence.
And you're in the dressing room how often?

A captain's job is to be a leader, on and off the ice, with his teammates and to deliver the coach and/or GM's message to his team.

I suppose we could just give Richards the "Sidney Crosby Book of ******** Cliches" to use with the media and that would make everything better?

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Actually, I believe it is Pronger who has called out and pointed fingers at his own players, thereby putting criticism directly on them. Perhaps Richards doesn't like to call out his own players to the media and prefers to do things behind close doors. Of course, judging by your posts we can just ask you about that as you have indepth knowledge of what goes on in the locker room.
There was an article by Frank Seravalli a few weeks ago where Richards said he won't call out a teammate in the media because embarrassing a person doesn't help. Richards has also said at various times that he didn't have a good game. You never get that from Pronger, it's always "we have to play better". Pronger also did nothing to diffuse the rumours that there was a rift between he and Richards last year. He has one way of dealing with things and a lot of it is driven by his ego while Richards is far more humble.

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I'll take Richards as the leader of the Flyers and a valuable member of every Canadian team he's played on over some Philly media members who do nothing but mail it in. It's funny when the Canadian media talks about him and Carter there is so much respect but in the city they play in they're either **** on by the fans or media.
I think the vast majority of fans appreciate 17 and 18, lets not blow the number of haters out of proportion.... And the media can suck it, they dont accurately reflect the opinions of the fans..... If they did, one of them would ask Andy Reid how he plans to hold himself accountable for making the same mistakes for over a decade.

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Actually, I believe it is Pronger who has called out and pointed fingers at his own players, thereby putting criticism directly on them. Perhaps Richards doesn't like to call out his own players to the media and prefers to do things behind close doors. Of course, judging by your posts we can just ask you about that as you have indepth knowledge of what goes on in the locker room.
Pronger called out a specific player, Giroux, but his comments were in the locker room, not directly to the media.

Good leaders should call out their players when they are not performing up to a standard, it is called being held accountable.

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There was an article by Frank Seravalli a few weeks ago where Richards said he won't call out a teammate in the media because embarrassing a person doesn't help. Richards has also said at various times that he didn't have a good game. You never get that from Pronger, it's always "we have to play better". Pronger also did nothing to diffuse the rumours that there was a rift between he and Richards last year. He has one way of dealing with things and a lot of it is driven by his ego while Richards is far more humble.
No, Richards is scared to death of Pronger and probably respects him too much to take up an issue with him. And do you know what, Pronger was right. The Old City Crew was running that team, Stevens did not have a chance.

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