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04-02-2011, 10:26 PM
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Gomez called Price the best goalie in the world right now in the post-game interview on TSN.
I think when he said something about Price getting torched on the penalty shot you could hear Price yell "Hey!"

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Darche is the new Smolinski.

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Darche is the new Smolinski.
Ehh
Jeff Halpern is Smolinski who is Radek Bonk who is also Mike Johnson

Darche is Darche.

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We win a high percentage of the games Tom Pyatt plays and lose a surprisingly high percentage of the games he sits.

Record when Tom Pyatt is shunted aside: 8-12-1
Record when Tom Pyatt is in the lineup: 34-18-6

Of course, Pyatt is by no means the key difference maker in so many games, but icing Pyatt, who has great work habits, and plays Martin's system correctly 95% of the time, may just have a positive rub-off effect on other players.

The Habs' faults when they lose are very often the following:

- They do not support the puck well
- They take selfish or lazy penalties
- They fail to cover their men in the defensive zone
- They give up too many odd-man rushes
- They commit too many turnovers in their own zone and at the opponents' blueline
- They are afraid to take a hit to make a play
- They give up too many goals on the PK

Tom Pyatt almost NEVER makes any of the mistakes listed above.

When he plays he helps the team more by making very, very few errors and taking virtually no stupid penalties while doing a good job on the PK, than he hurts it by not being the greatest 4th line scorer.

Tom Pyatt was a very, very important player in the two playoff series wins over Washington and Pittsburgh last year, and I hope Jacques Martin goes back to rewarding his efforts like he did last year, and plays him every game (so long as he keeps playing smart). Not only is that fair to Pyatt, but it shows the rest of the team that Martin is serious about how he claims to want the game played.

In the end, it's about winning - nothing else! The stats above take in too many games to be a fluke. There must be real reasons for why that is happening, and I hope I have explained some of them.
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I think you're attributing too much of that success to Pyatt. Give us more evidence of whast he actually did to deserve your defending him.
Evidence? I listed a bunch of errors that many guys on the team make too often, but Pyatt does not.

Number of minor penalties this year: 1
Number of turnovers in his own zone: too few to count
Number of odd-man rushes against: maybe 2 all year, and I think he came back to break up one of them
Supporting the puck: all the time
Willingness to take a hit to make a play: you see it all the time
Extended his shift and got into trouble: not once
Number of icings all year: 1 or 2 at most
PK efficiency: 85% which is very good (last year was over 90%!)
Number of times his man scored on us from a dangerous area: maybe 3

In other words, Pyatt works hard and smart. He does not get a lot of points, though he can score a bit when playing with speedy players like Gomez/Gionta or Moore/Lapierre. However, his hard and smart work may possibly rub off on others too. He is a great TEAM player.

Also Pyatt's speed plays right into the Habs style. Guys like Halpern, Desharnais, White do not have anywhere near the speed needed to play against top teams and not get beat by their man.

So, my contention is that the stats are not a fluke.

34-18-6 versus 8-12-1 reflects something REAL, for sure. I think that shows he should play more.

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04-02-2011, 10:51 PM
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Ehh
Jeff Halpern is Smolinski who is Radek Bonk who is also Mike Johnson

Darche is Darche.
I'm saying this because Smolinski was great against New Jersey.

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04-02-2011, 10:59 PM
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Solid, and dare I say, statement type win?

We rebounded after a lacklustre showing against the Canes. Hopefully this is the start of our demons getting exorcized and getting into playoff mode. We'll find out Tuesday just how far (if at all) we've come along.

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04-02-2011, 11:04 PM
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Evidence? I listed a bunch of errors that many guys on the team make too often, but Pyatt does not.

Number of minor penalties this year: 1
Number of turnovers in his own zone: too few to count
Number of odd-man rushes against: maybe 2 all year, and I think he came back to break up one of them
Supporting the puck: all the time
Willingness to take a hit to make a play: you see it all the time
Extended his shift and got into trouble: not once
Number of icings all year: 1 or 2 at most
PK efficiency: 85% which is very good (last year was over 90%!)
Number of times his man scored on us from a dangerous area: maybe 3

In other words, Pyatt works hard and smart. He does not get a lot of points, though he can score a bit when playing with speedy players like Gomez/Gionta or Moore/Lapierre. However, his hard and smart work may possibly rub off on others too. He is a great TEAM player.

Also Pyatt's speed plays right into the Habs style. Guys like Halpern, Desharnais, White do not have anywhere near the speed needed to play against top teams and not get beat by their man.

So, my contention is that the stats are not a fluke.

34-18-6 versus 8-12-1 reflects something REAL, for sure. I think that shows he should play more.
I was waiting for the Pyatt conspiracy theory...it is all coincidence, he is not at factor.

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04-02-2011, 11:29 PM
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Ehh
Jeff Halpern is Smolinski who is Radek Bonk who is also Mike Johnson

Darche is Darche.
I think you missed the point, Smoke was our secret weapon against Broduuuuur.

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The players looked to have more jump in the 1st and 2nd because they had an extra day off this week. It showed. But in the 3rd, you could see the defensive corps of the Old Guys have trouble clearing the puck again. The Devils were attacking our left side like crazy and were winning most of the battles down low because Gill and Hamrlik (or any older defenceman) had trouble skating.

Subban will have to work is tenacious magic in the playoffs to hope for a miracle. Because if they continue to attack the left side (and they will), we are toast. If I were Martin, I'd try to permutate Gill and Subban once in a while during a shift.

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The players looked to have more jump in the 1st and 2nd because they had an extra day off this week. It showed. But in the 3rd, you could see the defensive corps of the Old Guys have trouble clearing the puck again. The Devils were attacking our left side like crazy and were winning most of the battles down low because Gill and Hamrlik (or any older defenceman) had trouble skating.

Subban will have to work is tenacious magic in the playoffs to hope for a miracle. Because if they continue to attack the left side (and they will), we are toast. If I were Martin, I'd try to permutate Gill and Subban once in a while during a shift.
Hate to say this but we could use Spacek I wonder if he has a shot at making the playoffs.

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Hate to say this but we could use Spacek I wonder if he has a shot at making the playoffs.
Likely playing on Tuesday if not thursday.

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The players looked to have more jump in the 1st and 2nd because they had an extra day off this week. It showed. But in the 3rd, you could see the defensive corps of the Old Guys have trouble clearing the puck again. The Devils were attacking our left side like crazy and were winning most of the battles down low because Gill and Hamrlik (or any older defenceman) had trouble skating.

Subban will have to work is tenacious magic in the playoffs to hope for a miracle. Because if they continue to attack the left side (and they will), we are toast. If I were Martin, I'd try to permutate Gill and Subban once in a while during a shift.
On this the positive is that in the playoff slow dmens are more effective, because of the game is slower and the officials are reffing in another way. Think at guys like Gill, Sopel and other exemple like Orpik, Hatcher, Blake, O'Brien, Sutton etc they all seem to be better in the playoff in the post lockout.

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04-03-2011, 12:19 AM
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Our best PK forwards if you look at shorthanded icetime per pp goal against (obviously doesn't tell whole story as it doesn't take which PP unit or 5 on 3 into equation):

1. Brian Gionta (152 minutes / 12 PP goals against): ~12.6min/PPGA
2. Jeff Halpern (168 minutes / 14 PP goals against): ~12.0min/PPGA
3. Travis Moen (179 minutes / 15 PP goals against): ~11.9min/PPGA
4. Tomas Plekanec (207 minutes / 18 PP goals against): ~11.5min/PPGA
5. Tom Pyatt (129 minutes / 12 PP goals against): ~10.7min/PPGA

The other forwards play half as much or even less on the PK and still have a worse rate expect for one...Scott Gomez (73 minutes / 5 PP goals against): ~16.7min/PPGA.

Just to make sure this isn't a fluke I looked up last year's averages:

1. Scott Gomez (159 minutes / 11 PP goals against): ~14.5min/PPGA
2. Brian Gionta (117 minutes / 10 PP goals against): ~11.7min/PPGA
3. Travis Moen (192 minutes / 19 PP goals against): ~10.1min/PPGA
4. Tomas Plekanec (224 minutes / 23 PP goals against): ~9.7min/PPGA

Everyone else didn't play nearly as much on the PK but among them these were the best:

Tom Pyatt (45 minutes / 2 PP goals against): ~22.5min/PPGA
Sergei Kostitsyn (84 minutes / 8 PP goals against): ~10.5min/PPGA
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For defense, I have to say I was surprised to see who came first.

1. PK Subban (187 minutes / 11 PP goals against): ~17.0min/PPGA
2. Hal Gill (278 minutes / 19 PP goals against): ~14.6min/PPGA
3. Josh Gorges (136 minutes / 10 PP goals against): ~13.6min/PPGA
4. Jaroslav Spacek (129 minutes / 16 PP goals against): ~8.1min/PPGA
5. Roman Hamrlik (151 minutes / 24 PP goals against): ~6.3min/PPGA

Brent Sopel (28 minutes / 2 PP goals against): ~14.0min/PPGA
Paul Mara (43 minutes / 6 PP goals against): ~7.2min/PPGA

Gill leads the league in SH TOI and plays way more than anyone else on the team so he by default wins best penalty killer but the fact Subban is so effective is another proof of his defensive abilities. Furthermore, Hamrlik shouldn't kill penalties.

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Wow, great research Wats.

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Without actually being direct and saying why, doesn't this picture of the game look hilarious considering both their facial expressions?


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Without actually being direct and saying why, doesn't this picture of the game look hilarious considering both their facial expressions?


pk subban is just trolling his through the whole league.......

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Price 'speachless' comments were really funny

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/#clip443542

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Lyrical, what did you expect? He went after Moen, so Subban gave it right back to him.


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Title should have been "Habs throws the Devils out of the Playoffs!".

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Price 'speachless' comments were really funny

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/#clip443542
Haha, awesome.

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You guys must admit, for a first post this was pretty close ?


"Hey guys and gals. This is my first post here. My predictions are always right.

4-2 Montreal Feel free to purchase your Mise-o-jeu's"

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Why didn't they pull Brodur?

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what would have been the point? he wasn't the one ****ing up. and pull him for what, to rest him for the playoffs they're not making, or their last 3 games? it doesn't matter either way, so may as well let the guy lose with his dignity for that night, specially since he was their best player. lemaire said the team was playing so bad and he just didn't want to get scored on again.

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