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04-03-2011, 09:09 PM
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Fighting with a Visor

One of my biggest Pet Peeves in hockey is fighting with a Visor. Coburn Boyle Fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gC4a-FTZa8 I think Boyle needs to work on his fighting this off season this time. There is a Rule that adds an extra minor if you fight with a Visor, but it's never called.
75.2 Minor Penalty - A minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct shall be assessed under this rule for the following infractions:
(iv) When a player, including a goalkeeper, is penalized for being the instigator of an altercation and who is wearing a face shield.

The Rule used to penalize a player regardless whether you were an instigator or not. It was rarely ever called.
There is such a disadvantage when you have to not only pound a helmet but punch though a shield. If it were up to me, both players would have to remove there helmets before fighting.
Can't stand Don Cherry, but he was so right on this. Check out the jacket. Would make a great Penquin Uniform. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suAPLkRzWMM

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I don't see why fighting with a visor should be allowed. Either remove your helmet or don't fight. It's just ridiculous otherwise.

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Fighting with a visor is the Flyers motto.

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Exactly. I have no problem with visors, I think more players should wear them to protect themselves from eye injuries, but when a "tough" player wears it and starts fights with it that's just ********.

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boyle went after coburn....

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In fairness, Coburn didnt start a fight. He drilled Fedotenko with a clean hit. Then got challenged by Boyle. I actually think its worse to force a guy to fight after a clean hit than to fight with a visor.

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I didn't think the hit was very clean myself.

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04-03-2011, 10:00 PM
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Also that's besides the point. The fact is plenty of people start fights or act tough and warrant getting challenged, all the while wearing a visor. Have the courtesy to take it off.

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Exactly. I have no problem with visors, I think more players should wear them to protect themselves from eye injuries, but when a "tough" player wears it and starts fights with it that's just ********.
I agree with you. That's why I believe both players should remove their helmets. This way no one is at a disadvantage. The only guy I ever saw, where it didn't make a difference, was Joey Kocur. He would purposely try to pound an opponents helmet. He actually cracked Bashear's helmet in a fight. I think his hand injury's shortened his carrier.

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I think they should take off their skates too.

Fighting in hockey is cheesy, not that I don't like fighting, but when I see guys struggling to stand on their own two skates, twirling around in circles and barely being able to throw a punch, I just think it's stupid.

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I think they should take off their skates too.

Fighting in hockey is cheesy, not that I don't like fighting, but when I see guys struggling to stand on their own two skates, twirling around in circles and barely being able to throw a punch, I just think it's stupid.
barely being able to throw a punch????

I dunno about you, but I don't want to be on the receiving end of a lot of those punches.

Look up how many players get face injuries in fights and tell me if those were "barely a punch"

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I didn't think the hit was very clean myself.
Hit looked clean, but then as Feds went down, Colburn's stick made contact with his face.... Didn't look intentional though....

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The hit wasn't bad. Boyle wasn't really justified in starting the fight. That said, I appreciate what he was trying to do. Not the worst thing in the world what Boyle did, except that he can't fight...

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In fairness, Coburn didnt start a fight. He drilled Fedotenko with a clean hit. Then got challenged by Boyle. I actually think its worse to force a guy to fight after a clean hit than to fight with a visor.
Totally.

However, the visor is the only thing that looked to give the advantage to Coburn as it really looked like Boyle didn't want to throw any punches so his hands didn't get destroyed.

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I think they should take off their skates too.

Fighting in hockey is cheesy, not that I don't like fighting, but when I see guys struggling to stand on their own two skates, twirling around in circles and barely being able to throw a punch, I just think it's stupid.
What sport have you been watching over the past 100+ years?

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I feel like an honorable player should take it off...

You could see Boyle was intentionally swinging to avoid the visor.

That doesn't mean players shouldn't wear visor, heck, I wish Staal wore one, but just remove the helmet.

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The only guy I can think of who always takes off his helmet and visor when he fights is Sauer (not to say there aren't others, I just can't think of them right now). I think it shows the kind of player and man he is.

I won't condemn Coburn specifically, as he didn't start the fight, and he couldn't exactly stop, tell Boyle to wait a minute and take his helmet off. Actually, I think that fight shows exactly why the fighting with a visor penalty is almost never called.

The way that fight went, though, is exemplary of why guys with visors on shouldn't be fighting. I'm not sure exactly the best way to stop it, but there's just something wrong about it.

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It's pretty simple. No one should start a fight, or square off evenly with someone while wearing a visor, and I totally agree that doing so should result in a penalty -- looking in your direction Matt Cooke, Mike Richards, Jarome Iginla, etc.

That being said, if someone is challenged and quickly gets grappled the way that Coburn was by Boyle yesterday, then I don't think he's under any obligation to lose the helmet and visor. The person challenging should know what he's getting into and try to remove the helmet during the fight if he doesn't want to hurt his hand. Otherwise, buyer beware.

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Fighting with a visor is the Flyers motto.
Tell me about it. Another prime example that they're nothing more than gutless pukes.

And I always think of this when Mike Richards' toughness is brought up. How tough are you when you're fighting with a visor on and blind-siding people?

Just makes it better when (visor-less) Dubi pummels that pipsqueak whenever we play.

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Players should take their helmets off before a fight. If you don't, it's an additional 2. Leeway can be given to players who didn't have a chance to take their helmets off.

If you have a helmet with a visor and don't remove it, 5 for fighting, the additional 2, plus a 10-minute misconduct.

Instigating with a visor, whether you remove it or not, should be a game misconduct.

Players that fight with visors are *******.

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04-04-2011, 05:49 PM
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Players should take their helmets off before a fight. If you don't, it's an additional 2. Leeway can be given to players who didn't have a chance to take their helmets off.

If you have a helmet with a visor and don't remove it, 5 for fighting, the additional 2, plus a 10-minute misconduct.


Instigating with a visor, whether you remove it or not, should be a game misconduct.

Players that fight with visors are *******.
I agree as far as the bolded. Not sure I can agree with the game misconduct for an instigator with a visor.

To be honest, I'd say it's another indicator of how much respect has evaporated from the game.

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The only guy I can think of who always takes off his helmet and visor when he fights is Sauer (not to say there aren't others, I just can't think of them right now). I think it shows the kind of player and man he is.
Agreed. Sauer was the first guy that came mind. true pro.

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Players should take their helmets off before a fight. If you don't, it's an additional 2. Leeway can be given to players who didn't have a chance to take their helmets off.

If you have a helmet with a visor and don't remove it, 5 for fighting, the additional 2, plus a 10-minute misconduct.

Instigating with a visor, whether you remove it or not, should be a game misconduct.

Players that fight with visors are *******.
cally has a visor and takes it off.
mike comrie also did the same thing.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/98815


Comrie and Prucha lmao http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/92400

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Sauer always takes his hat off, that's another reason I love the kid.

But basically OP, this is one of the reasons I hate Pat Kaleta. He runs around agitating while hiding behind his visor. ****ing tool

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Fighting with a visor is the Flyers motto.
No, cheating any way possible is the flyers motto.

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