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04-04-2011, 12:14 PM
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I read on Berger's blog that Keon wants to his number to be retired but the Leafs don't want to do that and change up their system. If they're not willing to change their system for Keon, why would they for Sundin is what I'm thinking.
Although I follow the logic, you'll have to believe me when I say that Dave Keon was a special player, probably better than Sundin as an overall package. I know, I know, Sundin scored more points but Keon spent much of his NHL career as probably the best defensive center in the NHL.

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Inevitable.

Throw me in with the lot who feel his number should never be worn again.

Really wish the Leafs did away with that "honouring" business. Some numbers really should be retired.

#13 is one of them.
This nonsense of retiring numbers just increases the chances of players wearing crappy numbers. I mean what's the difference if someone else wears the number. Did Garnet Exelby wearing #7 suddenly cause you to forget the existence of Tim Horton or King Clancy or for that matter, Lanny McDonald (as an unhonoured number 7)?

It's the player that is important. The number is just a way to identify who's who.

Besides the Toronto Maple Leafs started the who business of teams retiring numbers with Ace Bailey, so if any team has the right to do it their own way, it's them.

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This nonsense of retiring numbers just increases the chances of players wearing crappy numbers. I mean what's the difference if someone else wears the number. Did Garnet Exelby wearing #7 suddenly cause you to forget the existence of Tim Horton or King Clancy or for that matter, Lanny McDonald (as an unhonoured number 7)?

It's the player that is important. The number is just a way to identify who's who.

Besides the Toronto Maple Leafs started the who business of teams retiring numbers with Ace Bailey, so if any team has the right to do it their own way, it's them.
Uh....

J/k, lol.

I know all about Toronto's stringent qualifications for getting one's number retired. Here's hoping they never have to retire another one under the same circumstances.

I give the Leafs' brass kudos for sticking to their guns and being different, choosing to go with the "honouring" route.

Just feel that Sundin left a mark on the Leafs, and on the city of Toronto. That, IMO, is worthy of a number being taken out of the rotation, never to be worn again.

It's the same reason why there will never be another #9 playing for the Wings or Habs (or Stars, hopefully ). A player's number is just that, a number. I don't think fans would have cared if, had the Leafs been retiring numbers this whole time, Mats played his Leafs years wearing #83. It just means #83 would be the next number to go. I think it adds a certain level of prestige, to have that many fine players wear your colours, and wear them so well that the number on the back is rafter-bound.

That being said, you would obviously need to raise the bar somewhat in terms of who gets raised and who doesn't. Sundin's the only Leaf in recent memory who's even close to achieving such status, IMO. So it's not like the Leafs would run out of numbers any time soon.

If an exception were to be made, if the Leafs were to bend the rule just this once and retire the number of one player who's still alive, Mats would be that player.

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Uh....

J/k, lol.

I know all about Toronto's stringent qualifications for getting one's number retired. Here's hoping they never have to retire another one under the same circumstances.

I give the Leafs' brass kudos for sticking to their guns and being different, choosing to go with the "honouring" route.

Just feel that Sundin left a mark on the Leafs, and on the city of Toronto. That, IMO, is worthy of a number being taken out of the rotation, never to be worn again.

It's the same reason why there will never be another #9 playing for the Wings or Habs (or Stars, hopefully ). A player's number is just that, a number. I don't think fans would have cared if, had the Leafs been retiring numbers this whole time, Mats played his Leafs years wearing #83. It just means #83 would be the next number to go. I think it adds a certain level of prestige, to have that many fine players wear your colours, and wear them so well that the number on the back is rafter-bound.

That being said, you would obviously need to raise the bar somewhat in terms of who gets raised and who doesn't. Sundin's the only Leaf in recent memory who's even close to achieving such status, IMO. So it's not like the Leafs would run out of numbers any time soon.

If an exception were to be made, if the Leafs were to bend the rule just this once and retire the number of one player who's still alive, Mats would be that player.
Sundin's the only Leaf in recent memory who's even CLOSE to achieving such status ? Are we taking about horseshoes and hand grenades here ? You don't honour a player simply because he's the best that we had at the time. Honestly, It's embarising to look up at the rafters of the Montreal Forum and see players such as Morenz, Richard, Beliveau and Lafleur hanging there, while the best we have to display is Sundin. Whats wrong with just waiting utill we finally have someone who is truely worthy ?

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Sundin's the only Leaf in recent memory who's even CLOSE to achieving such status ? Are we taking about horseshoes and hand grenades here ? You don't honour a player simply because he's the best that we had at the time. Honestly, It's embarising to look up at the rafters of the Montreal Forum and see players such as Morenz, Richard, Beliveau and Lafleur hanging there, while the best we have to display is Sundin. Whats wrong with just waiting utill we finally have someone who is truely worthy ?
I think you missed Modo's argument.
I believe his point was that we won't be running out of numbers by retiring #13, because no other player in recent memory is worthy of having their number retired, and therefore we wouldn't retire any other number.
His point was not that we would simply be choosing the best of what's been around lately.
Not sure what you have to be embarrassed about, although I do recognize the tendency to overvalue players from the past.
Sundin's #13 would certainly be my choice for the third number to be retired by the Leafs.

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Sundin's the only Leaf in recent memory who's even CLOSE to achieving such status ? Are we taking about horseshoes and hand grenades here ? You don't honour a player simply because he's the best that we had at the time. Honestly, It's embarising to look up at the rafters of the Montreal Forum and see players such as Morenz, Richard, Beliveau and Lafleur hanging there, while the best we have to display is Sundin. Whats wrong with just waiting utill we finally have someone who is truely worthy ?
If you have a hard-on for Montreal players than maybe you should head over to their forum.

Sundin deserves the nod and deserves to be spoken about on that level. Who gives a rats a$$ about the Habs

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Honestly, It's embarising to look up at the rafters of the Montreal Forum and see players such as Morenz, Richard, Beliveau and Lafleur hanging there, while the best we have to display is Sundin. Whats wrong with just waiting utill we finally have someone who is truely worthy ?

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If you have a hard-on for Montreal players than maybe you should head over to their forum.

Sundin deserves the nod and deserves to be spoken about on that level. Who gives a rats a$$ about the Habs


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Anyways here is a list of "Honoured" numbers that the Leafs have done. Sundin deserves to be on it I will admit.



Syl Apps Toronto Maple Leafs 10 October 3, 1993[32]
George Armstrong Toronto Maple Leafs 10 February 28, 1998[32]
Johnny Bower Toronto Maple Leafs 1 March 11, 1995[32]
Turk Broda Toronto Maple Leafs 1 March 11, 1995[32]
King Clancy Toronto Maple Leafs 7 November 21, 1995[32]
Wendel Clark Toronto Maple Leafs 17 November 22, 2008[32]
Charlie Conacher Toronto Maple Leafs 9 February 28, 1998[32]
Hap Day Toronto Maple Leafs 4 October 4, 2006[32]
Doug Gilmour Toronto Maple Leafs 93 January 31, 2009[32]
Tim Horton Toronto Maple Leafs 7 November 21, 1995[32]
Red Kelly Toronto Maple Leafs 4 October 4, 2006[32]
Ted Kennedy Toronto Maple Leafs 9 October 3, 1993[32]
Frank Mahovlich Toronto Maple Leafs 27 October 3, 2001[32]
Börje Salming Toronto Maple Leafs 21 October 4, 2006[32]
Darryl Sittler Toronto Maple Leafs 27 February 8, 2003[32]

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What's that for? I said who cares about the habs, this is Toronto and he deserves to be spoken about at the same level as those hanging from the ACC raftors. No players from other franchises are relevant to that conversation.

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I like how we aren't retiring numbers currently. I think its something that became more of a marketing ploy or gimmick by small market teams (see Minesota Wild) than being used for what it was meant for.

I highly doubt that any Leafs player is going to wear #13 for quite some time if ever, and as mentioned with the Keon bit, I say honouring is good enough until we eventually get a franchise superstar that leads us to Lord Stanley and his 52 virgins.


Then we shall have this debate again. Until then, aces high King Mats of Sollentunna.

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Looking at that list, Lanny MacDonald deserves to be up there IMO.

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Okay folks... I think it's time to let this die. It literally hasn't gotten anywhere in 17 friggin pages...

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Okay folks... I think it's time to let this die. It literally hasn't gotten anywhere in 17 friggin pages...
Where was it expected to go?

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About time. All I can say.

Although, I'm glad that they don't actually retire numbers. When you've had such a good history and so many great players, if they actually retired them sooner or later they'd run out of numbers.

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Where was it expected to go?
Hmmm. I guess I didn't really expect it to go anywhere anyway, really. I just didn't think there was this much Sundin excluding the Deadline fiasco. I was under the impression that was the day he started to suck. Apparently was never good.

Point taken, but still.

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[QUOTE=TheArchitect;32126259]Looking at that list, Lanny MacDonald deserves to be up there IMO.[/QUOTE 219 goals does it for ya ?

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goals does it for ya ?
No.. he was a good player.

With your evaluation of talent though, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

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Where was it expected to go?
Where every Sundin thread ends up going.

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Where every Sundin thread ends up going.
Then it has gone somewhere.

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Then it has gone somewhere.
In a circle, yes.

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I like how we aren't retiring numbers currently. I think its something that became more of a marketing ploy or gimmick by small market teams (see Minesota Wild) than being used for what it was meant for.

I highly doubt that any Leafs player is going to wear #13 for quite some time if ever, and as mentioned with the Keon bit, I say honouring is good enough until we eventually get a franchise superstar that leads us to Lord Stanley and his 52 virgins.


Then we shall have this debate again. Until then, aces high King Mats of Sollentunna.
Lets just hope those 52 virgins are female .

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