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04-06-2011, 05:14 PM
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And calling Jack the worst defenseman is highly debateable. I'll leave it at that for fear of being called a homer.
Here are the last 16 games:

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	Goals	Assists	Points	+/-	PIM		Hits	Bks
Jack	0	1	1	-8	6		13	18
Drew	1	4	5	-2	22		31	16
Rob	0	0	0	-4	2		12	24
Willie	3	1	4	-2	6		10	24
Alec	1	4	5	4	4		15	20
Matt	1	2	3	0	14		62	22
Who has been the worst defenseman? The only debate would be between Drew and Jack, but Drew has been more feast and famine, while Jack has been consistently poor. Jack needs to pick up his physical play to be effective. Drew hits and Matt hits so that there partner doesn't have too, Scuds isn't a hitter so Jack needs to be much more physcial. If neither defense partner hits, it creates more time and space for the opponents and allows better chances against. I think this is why Jack has ended up as the worst minus on the team. He has been paired with Scuds and Mitchell the most and neither of them hit.

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Teams just limping into the playoffs a bit and its nothing to be that concerned about given the injuries. He will pick it up for the playoffs, the Kings blueline should carry them against Phoenix, Detroit, or SJ and make it a series. I think JJ will have a solid first round against any of those teams.

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Here we go again with people coming out of the woods to pile on Jack when things are down. They're all silent when things are well. Now you've stooped so low to calling him "just ok" at age 24. He should just retire since it's all downhill from here.

It's always the same crybabies that ***** about Quick too. I swear, people on this site are like vultures looking to dive bomb on anything as a form of therapy.

Plenty of dive bombing to go around here as far as I can tell.

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If you wanted to compare Jack Johnson to another defensemen either now or in the past who would it be?

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What I miss about Johnson is that meanness/nastiness he had throughout his college and international career.

I look at the way he plays, its as if he's playing timid or he's afraid to make a mistake. I don't see that nasty hard-nose defenseman whose agitating the other team, making big hits etc.

He is like a jolly Mr. Rogers version of what he was in college.

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If you wanted to compare Jack Johnson to another defensemen either now or in the past who would it be?
... Off the top of my head, I'd say Grant Ledyard.

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What I miss about Johnson is that meanness/nastiness he had throughout his college and international career.

I look at the way he plays, its as if he's playing timid or he's afraid to make a mistake. I don't see that nasty hard-nose defenseman whose agitating the other team, making big hits etc.

He is like a jolly Mr. Rogers version of what he was in college.
totally agree and that's what I'm talking about. He's becoming Modry-like with better skating. He's better than that and he needs to start showing it.

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totally agree and that's what I'm talking about. He's becoming Modry-like with better skating. He's better than that and he needs to start showing it.
I mean I'm wondering if TM sees it and is trying to urge Johnson to become that player he really is or he's trying to turn Johnson into a different type of defenseman that he was not before.

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... Off the top of my head, I'd say Grant Ledyard.
A shot block specialist? Was he the guy that wore the giant shin pads?

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A shot block specialist? Was he the guy that wore the giant shin pads?
That was Craig Ludwig.

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I mean I'm wondering if TM sees it and is trying to urge Johnson to become that player he really is or he's trying to turn Johnson into a different type of defenseman that he was not before.
I don't think the system fits him offensively. He's an offensive defensemen with great skating ability and great stickhandling ability. He doesn't have a cannon from the point and that is where Kings defensemen have to stand most of the time. If him and Doughty were allowed to pinch and use the back door they would be better offensively. I'm not concerned about the physical play, he received too much hype coming out of college. The -75 is a concern. He needs to smarten up his game and I think he is slowly but surely.

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That was Craig Ludwig.
I hated that guy.

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Both Johnson and Doughty need to step it up more. I have seen a little less from Johnson over the past couple of months, but overall our top two defensemen have not been getting the job done offensively, though our system is fatally flawed in that regard all around, they still need to put up a bigger effort and find a way to get those goals. Mitchell and Martinez have with a bit of Greene have been carrying us on the blueline in their absence.

Though admittedly, a great deal of the problem lies with the fact that we utilize one of the worst offensive systems on the powerplay, and we have a moron in charge of line coordination. Most of Drew's points last season came on the powerplay, and most of Johnson's points this season came earlier on the powerplay. Now that our powerplay is operating at it's planned non-existent efficiency, the defensemen naturally suffocate their stats away. Either way, bad staff or not, the players need to find a way. Nobody is going to feel sorry for them.

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I see more of a Zhitnik in Johnson's game, similar builds, both great skaters with a powerful point shot and strong bodies.

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I see more of a Zhitnik in Johnson's game, similar builds, both great skaters with a powerful point shot and strong bodies.
Zhitnik is exactly who I thought of.

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I see more of a Zhitnik in Johnson's game, similar builds, both great skaters with a powerful point shot and strong bodies.
... Zhitnik was a better skater, and his point shot was more accurate than powerful (probably why it was so effective). Zhitnik was also undersized for a defenseman, at 5-11 and 185, if I remember right; and he wasn't much of a hitter.

Of course, I'm talking mainly about Zhitnik's time with the Kings. His game and his weight may have changed somewhat after he left, but I never got to see him that much.

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Zhitnik threw his share of crushing hits, I recall him being the main guy assigned to check Pavel Bure, plus his memorable mid-air check on Foligno that knocked him woozy in the Toronto series.

He was heavier than 185, I believe he was listed at over 200 pounds, so he was a pretty stocky dman. His shot definitely was a lot more accurate than Johnson's shot, but he did have quite a good blast from the point.

Zhitnik was one of my favorite Kings when I was younger. I don't know what went on off the ice, but the day they traded him was one of the dumbest mistakes this organization has made (and they have made tons of mistakes in their 40+ years of ineptitude).

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... Zhitnik was a better skater, and his point shot was more accurate than powerful (probably why it was so effective). Zhitnik was also undersized for a defenseman, at 5-11 and 185, if I remember right; and he wasn't much of a hitter.

Of course, I'm talking mainly about Zhitnik's time with the Kings. His game and his weight may have changed somewhat after he left, but I never got to see him that much.
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Zhitnik threw his share of crushing hits, I recall him being the main guy assigned to check Pavel Bure, plus his memorable mid-air check on Foligno that knocked him woozy in the Toronto series.

He was heavier than 185, I believe he was listed at over 200 pounds, so he was a pretty stocky dman. His shot definitely was a lot more accurate than Johnson's shot, but he did have quite a good blast from the point.

Zhitnik was one of my favorite Kings when I was younger. I don't know what went on off the ice, but the day they traded him was one of the dumbest mistakes this organization has made (and they have made tons of mistakes in their 40+ years of ineptitude).
You guys are both partly correct. Zhitnik was never 200 lbs as a king but he may have been later in his career with the caps I believe (Ziggy, you may be thinking of Galley who was stockier). And Zhitnik threw his share of crunching hits. Not a lot but he had his fair share I would have to say.

I like the AZ comparison to JJ. Only problem is, I think we may have overpaid for JJ if true.

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I see more of a Zhitnik in Johnson's game, similar builds, both great skaters with a powerful point shot and strong bodies.
Maybe a Zhitnik/Sydor combo (Sydor a bit later on and Zhitnik earlier in his career)

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I'm ALAWAYS the guy defending everyone. I've take in on the chin defending Murray, Jack, Westgarth, Brown, Qucik and Smyth. I will never find fault in a player who goes out and gives it their all.


first thing I think we've ever agreed on about your analysis...

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