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04-07-2011, 02:23 PM
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What position do you play on the Philadelphia Flyers, or what position do you hold as coach? Because that's more or less the only way you could possibly know that, or comment on it credibly.
You can see it in how the leaders lead, and when Pronger is on the ice they play with a different passion. Pronger is also a guy who is not afraid to call out teammates, not because he wants to make them the example, but because players need to be called out by the leaders to step up their play. Timonen has done it, O'Donnell has done it, Pronger has done it, and now at the last minute Richards is coming out and saying something.....come on, let's be real, it is no secret that Pronger is the leader on this team.

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04-07-2011, 02:25 PM
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We don't know if he's calling them out or not. For all we know he's grilling them.

Just because he doesn't keep the press appraised about every word he says to the team doesn't mean he isn't doing anything.
Grilling them over who is going to belly up and get last round, maybe.

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04-07-2011, 02:28 PM
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My God, you just don't get it! Do you think Philly is the only team that's built to win it? What do you think about Vancouver? Detroit? Boston? Several other teams are peaking now. Stop acting like we as Flyer fans are entitled to a cup, many teams/fanbases feel they are the team to beat yet one of sixteen will win. That means fifteen will not. That's sport.
Flyers were playing like one of the top two teams in the NHL over the first half of the season. People talk about the greatness of the leadership of Richards, the scoring of Carter, the emergence of Giroux, the defensive depth, and depth of scoring being the deepest in the NHL and a favorite to win the Cup. But yet expectations of the fans should not be that this team can take the compete level up a notch and win this year with their experience and the core of this group in their prime????? WOW.

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We don't know if he's calling them out or not. For all we know he's grilling them.

Just because he doesn't keep the press appraised about every word he says to the team doesn't mean he isn't doing anything.
And that is the point. He doesn't like the media and as fans, unfortunately, that is where we get our information. So, we don't hear anything from Richards. EVERYONE in hockey says Richards is a prototypical captain and leader. Just because he doesn't stand in front of a mic and pump his chest doesn't make it false. The team sucks right now and the leader is taking heat. If Richie is who I think he is, he expects that and agrees with it.

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When all else fails, resort to sexism? Is that how this works?

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You can see it in how the leaders lead, and when Pronger is on the ice they play with a different passion. Pronger is also a guy who is not afraid to call out teammates, not because he wants to make them the example, but because players need to be called out by the leaders to step up their play. Timonen has done it, O'Donnell has done it, Pronger has done it, and now at the last minute Richards is coming out and saying something.....come on, let's be real, it is no secret that Pronger is the leader on this team.
Except that players have come out and said that Richards is the recognized leader of the team, including Pronger.

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Grilling them over who is going to belly up and get last round, maybe.
God forbid that any of them have the slightest bit of fun in their time off. Hell, going out together to just hang out and forget their hockey woes would probably be a good thing.

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They need big, swaying, brass balls. The kind it takes to battle your ass off for every loose puck, and they have none right now.

Maybe they can win the cup, but the question remains, do they have them? Do they have the balls?

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God forbid that any of them have the slightest bit of fun in their time off. Hell, going out together to just hang out and forget their hockey woes would probably be a good thing.
Hey, we all focus on our jobs 24/7, why shouldn't they? They're pro athletes and should operate like machines, dammit. No fun until after the season. But then again, that's when they should be training for the next season.

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You can see it in how the leaders lead, and when Pronger is on the ice they play with a different passion. Pronger is also a guy who is not afraid to call out teammates, not because he wants to make them the example, but because players need to be called out by the leaders to step up their play. Timonen has done it, O'Donnell has done it, Pronger has done it, and now at the last minute Richards is coming out and saying something.....come on, let's be real, it is no secret that Pronger is the leader on this team.
Guys would go through a wall for Richards. For me, Richie is the Braveheart type of leader who guys get behind and would do anything for. He is their guy. The fact he doesn't call guys out only makes them love him more.

- Messier NEVER called out teammates
- Towes NEVER calls out teammmates

Great leaders don't call guys out in the media. They demand 100% and lead by example.

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When all else fails, resort to sexism? Is that how this works?
Hey, just because you cannot accept the questioning of the "leader" does not mean "trolling", that is just childish. Defend you point if you want. I am still waiting to see how his leadership on the ice does not hold him accountable when they are 3-4-3 over the last ten and there has been a lack of effort from the team for an extended period of time? Please explain so I can understand.

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Are those hot chicks with Richards. Shameful!!! How could a group of hockey players respect a guy who knows how to have fun and can get all the ladies. Crazy.

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Hey, just because you cannot accept the questioning of the "leader" does not mean "trolling", that is just childish. Defend you point if you want. I am still waiting to see how his leadership on the ice does not hold him accountable when they are 3-4-3 over the last ten and there has been a lack of effort from the team for an extended period of time? Please explain so I can understand.
Your questioning of the leader is based on wild, unfounded speculation on your part. You have NOTHING to back up your arguments.

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Except that players have come out and said that Richards is the recognized leader of the team, including Pronger.
Richie wears the C, all I am saying is that the players on the team look up to Pronger and he in his way of getting it done kind of demands the respect by how he goes about his business.

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God forbid that any of them have the slightest bit of fun in their time off. Hell, going out together to just hang out and forget their hockey woes would probably be a good thing.
No one says they cannot go out and fall in the gutter every night, so long as it does not affect his play on the ice. Like anyone who has a job that gets paid, there are certain expectations of performance.

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Your questioning of the leader is based on wild, unfounded speculation on your part. You have NOTHING to back up your arguments.
That the team has not played up to the standard of what should be expected for this team with their talent?

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That the team has not played up to the standard of what should be expected for this team with their talent?
They weren't playing up to standard when Pronger was here either. I guess Pronger sucks at leading, huh?

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Richie wears the C, all I am saying is that the players on the team look up to Pronger and he in his way of getting it done kind of demands the respect by how he goes about his business.
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2. an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.

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Hey, just because you cannot accept the questioning of the "leader" does not mean "trolling", that is just childish. Defend you point if you want. I am still waiting to see how his leadership on the ice does not hold him accountable when they are 3-4-3 over the last ten and there has been a lack of effort from the team for an extended period of time? Please explain so I can understand.
It's all Carter's fault.

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It's all Carter's fault.
You have to admit though, Richards and Carter derserve most the blame, I agree with a lot of what Cartsie says. They get all the glory, and they deserve all the blame to.

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If I worked half as hard at work and in my classes as Richards does laying pipe on prime time dimes, I'd have herpes from just clock watching and reading books.

I wish I could lead like him. I could derail a whole business and major university.

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Again, still wondering how the leader is exempt from blame and has put himself out there directly for the poor play over the last month plus? It takes the GM to come down to the dressing room and rip this team to actually make people accountable? Or it takes game 80 of 82 for the captain to make comments to address the urgency of things? Just not buying what you are selling.

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Again, still wondering how the leader is exempt from blame and has put himself out there directly for the poor play over the last month plus? It takes the GM to come down to the dressing room and rip this team to actually make people accountable? Or it takes game 80 of 82 for the captain to make comments to address the urgency of things? Just not buying what you are selling.
It's not that he isn't subject to criticism, it's that people have a hard time receiving what seems like an endless attempt to reenact the Salem witch trials.

Thinking about it, we should tie Richards down, throw him into some water, and see if he floats. If he does, he's a leader...if he doesn't...well...


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It's not that he isn't subject to criticism, it's that people have a hard time receiving what seems like an endless attempt to reenact the Salem witch trials.
Fans, much like the players they follow have an endless litany of excuses to defend their favorites, never with a logical reason except "because".


And Richards most likely would not float with all that booze in his liver, time for a nap.

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Fans, much like the players they follow have an endless litany of excuses to defend their favorites, never with a logical reason except "because".
The only evidence you have to attack anybody's leadership on the team is "because"

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Fans, much like the players they follow have an endless litany of excuses to defend their favorites, never with a logical reason except "because".


And Richards most likely would not float with all that booze in his liver, time for a nap.
So...you essentially agree with me...and then just go on being yourself and doing your thing. Neat.

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