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04-07-2011, 03:43 PM
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Quick to start on Friday, maybe Saturday

well no big surprise.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/07...tice-update-4/

Murray keeps playing JQ against divisional rivals. Murray i am guessing is trying to get JQ back on track mentally before the playoffs. JQ will play Friday and maybe Sat if it means LA can clinch the #4 position.

face it he hasn't been very sharp the past few few weeks. yes the defensive lapses and breakdowns have lead to goals. at the same time JQ hasn't been as sharp when it comes to controlling rebounds, angles/positioning and frankly controlling a game the way he can.

i understand Murray wanting to get his #1 back on track. the D lapses of late aside. nobody can dispute he isn't what we saw earlier this year. im wondering if JQ is struggling because he is worn down like last season. he is chasing pucks and leaving rebounds like he did last year late in the season and the PO's. personally i think Murray rode this horse to much this season and it's showing.

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Bernier tomorrow & Quick Saturday was good. Damn it TM you're wearing down Quick like last season.


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Not surprising.. the chance for home ice (and more importantly to avoid playing Vancouver or San Jose in round 1) is huge. I'm sure Quick will play Saturday and then depending on the outcome he'll possibly play Sunday. The Kings best chance to advance is facing Phoenix or Nashville, and the only way to ensure that is to land 4th or 5th in most scenarios.

Friday will be game 60 for Quick - 12 fewer than last season, so Murray has stuck with the goalie rotation he outlined at the beginning of the season.

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Not surprising.. the chance for home ice (and more importantly to avoid playing Vancouver or San Jose in round 1) is huge. I'm sure Quick will play Saturday and then depending on the outcome he'll possibly play Sunday. The Kings best chance to advance is facing Phoenix or Nashville, and the only way to ensure that is to land 4th or 5th in most scenarios.

I'd imagine though it'll be Quick and Bernier - especially if the Kings win Friday.
Who is he going to play on Sunday?

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This doesn't make sense.

Play your #1 at the home closer.

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This doesn't make sense.

Play your #1 at the home closer.
Quick will start both games...the only question is if he will finish both...

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well no big surprise.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/07...tice-update-4/

Murray keeps playing JQ against divisional rivals. Murray i am guessing is trying to get JQ back on track mentally before the playoffs. JQ will play Friday and maybe Sat if it means LA can clinch the #4 position.

face it he hasn't been very sharp the past few few weeks. yes the defensive lapses and breakdowns have lead to goals. at the same time JQ hasn't been as sharp when it comes to controlling rebounds, angles/positioning and frankly controlling a game the way he can.

i understand Murray wanting to get his #1 back on track. the D lapses of late aside. nobody can dispute he isn't what we saw earlier this year. im wondering if JQ is struggling because he is worn down like last season. he is chasing pucks and leaving rebounds like he did last year late in the season and the PO's. personally i think Murray rode this horse to much this season and it's showing.
... Once again, Terry Murray shows he still has no clue how to handle goaltenders.

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... Once again, Terry Murray shows he still has no clue how to handle goaltenders.
I'm a huge Quick supporter, but this is mind baffling. What exactly does Bernier have to do, to deserve a start in a back to back, especially when the Kings have clinched?

Boneheaded move by a boneheaded coach.

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There's no doubt Quick is our number one and he needs to be sharp for the playoffs, but I don't think playing a back to back to end the season will help that much... Why not just play Bernier one of the games... it will let Quick be rested but still have a game to be ready. Shrug- the original plan for Bernier to play Friday and Quick to play Sat seemed better, but maybe Murray will prove us wrong.

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I'm a huge Quick supporter, but this is mind baffling. What exactly does Bernier have to do, to deserve a start in a back to back, especially when the Kings have clinched?
... Quick plays a good game: "Quick HAS to start the next one, because he played so well!"

Quick plays a bad game: "Quick HAS to start the next one, because he needs to bounce back mentally!"

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the same thing in the playoffs that we saw last year. Quick starts all the games, gets pulled in one, Bernier relieves and gives up one or two, and that'll be that for Jonathan Bersberg.

"Thirteen minutes of Bersberg??? I have seen enough!!!"

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Murray keeps playing JQ against divisional rivals. Murray i am guessing is trying to get JQ back on track mentally before the playoffs. JQ will play Friday and maybe Sat if it means LA can clinch the #4 position.

face it he hasn't been very sharp the past few few weeks. yes the defensive lapses and breakdowns have lead to goals. at the same time JQ hasn't been as sharp when it comes to controlling rebounds, angles/positioning and frankly controlling a game the way he can.
This all sounds very familiar...

But that aside, best case scenario is having Quick win on Friday and then rest him afterwards for game one of the first round. Which will probably start Wednesday/Thursday night. Giving Quick some solid rest heading into the first game.

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i love the fact Murray preaches/coaches consistency, yet he doesn't follow his mantra. the only thing he is consistent with is his inconsistency

Bernier might as well start getting his golf clubs and boat ready, because it's unlikely he won't see any more ice time this season.

unless Murray remains inconsistent and elects to actually start JB in a playoff game

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Can you say overreaction? Wait silly question, you all already have.

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unless Murray remains inconsistent and elects to actually start JB in a playoff game
... If Bersberg starts a playoff game, I will personally use a picture of Terry Murray as my avatar and my user title will be "I (heart) Terry Murray". And perhaps one of the more graphically-inclined people here can have a heart drawn around Murray or something.

That's how confident I am that Bersberg won't see a start in the playoffs. If Quick gets injured, all bets are off though.

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... If Bersberg starts a playoff game, I will personally use a picture of Terry Murray as my avatar and my user title will be "I (heart) Terry Murray". And perhaps one of the more graphically-inclined people here can have a heart drawn around Murray or something.

That's how confident I am that Bersberg won't see a start in the playoffs. If Quick gets injured, all bets are off though.
You say all this like a coach playing only his #1 tender in the playoffs is out of the ordinary. Seems like the league status quo to me.

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I understand this. Quick has gotten ENOUGH rest throughout the season and I don't want to play Detroit or San Jose in the first round. He'll start on Saturday UNLESS both Nashville and Phoenix lose tomorrow...

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Some of the armchair coaches here make Kompon look like a genius.

The Kings have a chance to earn sole possession of 4th place on their own and you guys are annoyed because Murray wants to start our #1 goalie to try to do that? That makes no sense.

All the Kings have clinched at this point is 8th in the conference and a date to be swept by Vancouver. Friday's game and potentially Saturday's games are critical to avoid that scenario.

Quick for Friday, THEN re-evaluate based on the outcome of that game and the outcome of games with teams chasing the Kings. BOTH Phoenix and Nashville play Friday. If the Kings win and both Nashville and Phoenix lose, the Kings will have 4th in the conference locked up. If the Kings lose and Nashville and Phoenix both win, then Saturday's game becomes even more critical than Friday's game.

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I just don't see how people can look at the performances of the goalies throughout the ENTIRE course of the season and say A) that Quick is BETTER than Bernier or even B) That Bernier hasn't earned or doesn't deserve a start in the back to back against Anaheim.

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I understand this. Quick has gotten ENOUGH rest throughout the season and I don't want to play Detroit or San Jose in the first round. He'll start on Saturday UNLESS both Nashville and Phoenix lose tomorrow...
Is this NOT how everyone sees it? Some of you people and your refusal to look past who your personal choice is. Quick is the #1 goalie. He will be starting in the playoffs. Everyone agrees on this.

Why, I MUST ask, would you not use your #1 goalie in what is essentially a minor playoff scenario to get the #4 seed, home ice and a favorable matchup in the playoffs?

Hopefully, the Kings beat the Ducks Friday and things work that it looks like we'll be the 4/5 no matter what, then start Bernier. If this doesn't make sense to you, I'm done trying.

Oh, and for anyone concerned about too many starts, please remember that Niemi had started 33 straight until last night and Crawford has started quite a few in a row as well. Quick will be one of the more rested goalies going into the playoffs.

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I just don't see how people can look at the performances of the goalies throughout the ENTIRE course of the season and say A) that Quick is BETTER than Bernier or even B) That Bernier hasn't earned or doesn't deserve a start in the back to back against Anaheim.

I don't see how you cannot tell that what is important here is NOT that Bernier hasn't earned a start. That's not what was said. The reason behind starting Quick is that he is the #1 (i.e. the goalie the franchise feels is best suited to win a must-win game). Terry Murray starting Quick is basically saying, "It's really important to try for the #4 seed, home ice and a favorable playoff match up (NSH/PHX)."

This has NOTHING to do with lack of confidence in Bernier. It DOES NOT mean he hasn't earned it. It means the goals of the team supersede whatever you feel Bernier might have earned.

EDIT: Guess I wasn't done trying to make sense of it.

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I don't see how you cannot tell that what is important here is NOT that Bernier hasn't earned a start. That's not what was said. The reason behind starting Quick is that he is the #1 (i.e. the goalie the franchise feels is best suited to win a must-win game). Terry Murray starting Quick is basically saying, "It's really important to try for the #4 seed, home ice and a favorable playoff match up (NSH/PHX)."

This has NOTHING to do with lack of confidence in Bernier. It DOES NOT mean he hasn't earned it. It means the goals of the team supersede whatever you feel Bernier might have earned.

EDIT: Guess I wasn't done trying to make sense of it.
So in that sense, the team doesn't feel confident that Bernier can help them achieve their goals? Despite what he's done since the break. Got it.

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We all want the best possible plan for the Kings as they go into the playoffs. Lets hope the Kings win on Friday, giving Quick some momentum and rest heading into the playoffs. We all know how last years stretch run carried over into the playoffs.

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You say all this like a coach playing only his #1 tender in the playoffs is out of the ordinary. Seems like the league status quo to me.
... I didn't say it like anything. I just responded to a statement of "perhaps Murray will start Bernier in the playoffs". Like hell he will.

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Some of the armchair coaches here make Kompon look like a genius.

The Kings have a chance to earn sole possession of 4th place on their own and you guys are annoyed because Murray wants to start our #1 goalie to try to do that? That makes no sense.
... I could understand Quick starting both games if Bernier was absolute **** but that isn't the case at all as Bernier has been noticeably better than Quick since the All-Star break (.939 to .917) as well as for the last three months and change (.928 to .913 since the beginning of the new year). And yet, you're going to tell me that Bernier doesn't deserve a start in a back to back situation??? Awesome.

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So in that sense, the team doesn't feel confident that Bernier can help them achieve their goals? Despite what he's done since the break. Got it.
Just keep those fingers in your ears shouting 'LA LA LA LA LA LA LA' all you want...

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I like it. Keeping Bernier rested for Quick's playoff meltdown

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