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04-08-2011, 11:32 AM
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None of those teams have any dignity and never have.
boohooo.... they all have Cups. What dyou think Habs fans would rather have?

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boohooo.... they all have Cups. What dyou think Habs fans would rather have?
Caps and Oilers don't have cups, also we took out the Caps and Pens last year and we beat the Hawks 3 nights ago

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boohooo.... they all have Cups. What dyou think Habs fans would rather have?
All those teams combined don't even have half the cups we do.

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I'm not a loser ... I dont want to tank

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If you look at some of our players right now I haven't been this happy about our youth in like 20 years. Price, Subban, Eller, Pacioretty, Weber, Desharnais and others. We have done very well for sure they are no Ovechkin or Toews but we are on the right track and our scouting is doing a good job, I wouldn't wanna see this team miss the playoffs for a couple of years for a hope of us getting that elite talent, with our luck we would draft the bust!
And how long have we been saying that?!! 17 years and counting. If it wasnt for Halak last year, theyve never even been passed the 2nd round since 93, Im sure youre aware.

and Eller, MaxPac, Desharnais, Weber arent exactly gonna be your top line Cup winners. Gimme a break.

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Just fyi, wiz has had 3 injuries/surgeries that markov has had 2 of.

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Didn't read the whole thread but it NEEDS mentioning that Wisniewski had something like 3 ACL surgeries which not a lot of people seem to know or forget. No reason to believe that Markov's career is over yet...

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All those teams combined don't even have half the cups we do.
thats your argument?

0 Cups in 17 years if you forgot.

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And how long have we been saying that?!! 17 years and counting. If it wasnt for Halak last year, theyve never even been passed the 2nd round since 93, Im sure youre aware.

and Eller, MaxPac, Desharnais, Weber arent exactly gonna be your top line Cup winners. Gimme a break.
Well ... yeah they could be

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I would choose Markov easily. Guy's like Wiz aren't that tough to find or aquire. We've seen Souray, Streit and now Wiz go through the organization over the past 8 years. Guys like Markov are rare, and very hard to aquire. He's the better of the two both offensively and defensively and regardless of the risk he is the better choice IMO.

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And how long have we been saying that?!! 17 years and counting. If it wasnt for Halak last year, theyve never even been passed the 2nd round since 93, Im sure youre aware.

and Eller, MaxPac, Desharnais, Weber arent exactly gonna be your top line Cup winners. Gimme a break.
How do you know from now to another 2 years. Who was so special besides Ward and Staal when Carolina won the cup? Anything is possible my friend

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All those teams combined don't even have half the cups we do.
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Seriously, the Habs ARE going in a good direction right now. Forget about tanking, no matter how hard they try they WON'T finish last and get a bona-fide superstar forward. Sure we might get a top 10 pick... will that pick rebuild our franchise? Right now we got a #13 draft pick center with size traded for our 7th round one. That's another way to rebuild your prospect pool too.

Habs strength will not be our forwards for a long time, no matter how much you'd want it to happen. They made that choice when they drafted Price with their #5 pick. And it so happen that our other homerun draft picks have been a defenseman and another goalie (that we traded for a center at least).

The way for Habs to win is banking on goaltending + defense (and we're talking about offensive dmen here with Markov and Subban, they can create points for your offense too). Have solid 2-way forwards that can put points on the rush and on the PP and you can win this way.

If we want to rebuild to have a team based on offense, with a star offensive forward... we'll need a full tank/rebuild cycle. At this stage of the team, with the way they're performing, it makes no sense at all. None.

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How do you know from now to another 2 years. Who was so special besides Ward and Staal when Carolina won the cup? Anything is possible my friend
Sure, anything can happen, but fact of the matter is, all Cup winning teams in the past 5 years have had a decent offense, and the Canes did still HAVE an Eric Staal. The Habs DONT have one, or even close to have one at this point.

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thats your argument?

0 Cups in 17 years if you forgot.
0 cups in 20 years for Edmonton. 0 cups in ever for Washington.

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0 cups in 20 years for Edmonton. 0 cups in ever for Washington.
and youd rather have the Habs franchise over WSH or EDM going forward? Yeah right.

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Sure, anything can happen, but fact of the matter is, all Cup winning teams in the past 5 years have had a decent offense, and the Canes did still HAVE an Eric Staal. The Habs DONT have one, or even close to have one at this point.
Then I suggest you cheer on the Islanders or Oilers, they should be there for a while and draft very high in the next couple of years

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Then I suggest you cheer on the Islanders or Oilers, they should be there for a while and draft very high in the next couple of years
and theyll be contending for the Cup in 3-4 years while Montreal are still battling for 8th.

But wait, the Habs will have DIGNITY!

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and youd rather have the Habs franchise over WSH or EDM going forward? Yeah right.
We've got one hole in a franchise forward. We have a franchise Goalie and a franchise defenseman who the fans love. No way I'd trade teams with the Oilers just to get Taylor Hall. While Washington has good players at all positions I still wouldn't trade with them.

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and theyll be contending for the Cup in 3-4 years while Montreal are still battling for 8th.

But wait, the Habs will have DIGNITY!
it's ok, Montreal does well when they finish in 8th

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and theyll be contending for the Cup in 3-4 years while Montreal are still battling for 8th.

But wait, the Habs will have DIGNITY!
Just like Atlanta, the Islanders and Columbus all are!

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Just like Atlanta, the Islanders and Columbus all are!
But they HAD Kovalchuk, they have Tavares and they have Rick Nash.

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No, Markov would be the best player of this team along with Price.
would be
could be

unfortunately he's had 3 major injuries in 2 years (2 of them to the same knee). extremely risky to bring him back and be handicapped for yet another season. I'd sign wiz, let markov walk or trade his rights to the west, and sign a good UFA d-man.

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Definately keep Markov. He's been in MTL his whole career, while Wiz bounces around. Better to give some respect to the guy that's been committed to your franchise. When healthy Markov is a top 10-15 Dman who can control offensive tempo

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and youd rather have the Habs franchise over WSH or EDM going forward? Yeah right.
Honestly, as a franchise? Yes, at least over Washington (and Edm have been pathetic for longer than us, and they didn't willingly tank for a long while, they just sucked even more than we did).

Because Habs are trying to build in an intelligent way to have a top tier team that will last.

Edm or Washington might win a cup (or not, Sharks have been at the top for how long without one now...? certainly not because they lacked offensive talent), but what will they do once they have to pay everyone? Look at how Chicago and the Canes fell after their cup.

These teams and managements often don't seem to have a vision. They just bank on tanking, get some star forwards, try for a cup run and go back to sucking because their whole team sucks except for these few stars.

They might be better in the next 3-5 years (or not), but what after? I want a management trying to build a contender for years and years, with a solid draft team always getting players that can make the line-up and free up money that we don't need to spend on average veterans.

I want the Habs to try to be the Red Wings, or what the Devils were not too long ago. That's the model I want the Habs to follow. It's a harder one, not as obvious in terms of quick results, but it's so much better when done properly. I don't believe we currently have everyone in place for it, but I see the improvements going towards that. We are starting to have a lot of truly solid prospects, none of which (except maybe Subban in a few years) should make the bank explode, and we're also developping a solid supporting cast with guys like Gorges, White, Weber, maybe Pouliot or Desharnais.

Not everything might turn out perfect, but I truly believe that with a healthy Markov, the Habs can surprise many people in the next 2 years and later. What we lack in pure stars, we have in depth. And we still have Price, Subban and hopefully Markov that are likely to be true stars.

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and theyll be contending for the Cup in 3-4 years while Montreal are still battling for 8th.

But wait, the Habs will have DIGNITY!
with Markov this year the Habs win the division.

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