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04-07-2011, 06:06 PM
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short answer: no.

long answer: hell no.

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04-07-2011, 06:08 PM
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Kessel at center? I would cringe ( and so would leafs nation)

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04-07-2011, 06:12 PM
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Not really a good idea. More like a desperation move. Maybe if Kessel used his linemates more effectively you could see past the defensive short-comings but he would be a disaster at center/

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04-07-2011, 06:13 PM
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Leafs Nation says NO! Tank Nation says YES!

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04-07-2011, 06:24 PM
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I'd rather Kulemin slide into center, with kessel on his wing.

Put Army with Grabo
Whaaaa look what happens to Leaf fans when we don't have a good number one center, we start throwing everyone into the center position!

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04-07-2011, 06:55 PM
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Btw, Burke said he is going for first line center in summer...can we take his word for the moment? If things don't work out, we'll return to this thread; until then, the above video.
Whend he say that?

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04-07-2011, 06:56 PM
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04-07-2011, 07:09 PM
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It won't happen.

I'd rather have Bozak play 1C than have Kessel play it.

Kessel has minimal defensive skills. Even if he backchecks extremely hard, he is not hard enough on his stick to get anything productive done.

Centers have to skate pretty much 200 ft every rush. Kessel isn't athletically gifted. Yes, he has speed. But he is too small, doesn't have great cardiovascular ability. The more you make him work to be defensively responsible, the less you will get out of him offensively. The more you make him skate, the less speed he will have on the offensive rush. He isn't Kulemin.

Key characteristics of a center: Defensively responsible. Strong on puck. Can maintain possession. Athletically above average.


Does Ribeiro possess these qualities in your opinion? Spezza?


Kessel has a very active stick, excellent vision, and the ability to think the game at a high level. He can exploit holes and create seams with his puckhandling abilities better than most. We complain that he's one-dimensional yet show enormous resistance to any notion of removing him from his comfort zone. He's not the ideal 1C, but nobody rated Grabo as a top 6 centre last year either. He reinvented himself because he HAD to. When Kessel was challenged to become more than a sniper, he started battling, showing a better 2nd effort, and played a 200-foot game. He also went on a tear as a result. If a top line of Parise-Kessel-Lupul was an option, and it didnt bankrupt the future, I would ABSOLUTELY make the move to put Kessel in the 1-hole. By the time Loops' contract expires, Colborne will be either 1C or 2C and some of the other youngsters produced ORGANICALLY (sorry to those who struggle with the use of the word in this context) will be ready to step up.

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04-07-2011, 07:22 PM
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Whend he say that?
1. Bill watter show on AM640 March 28th.
2. Leafs fan blog on Toronto Star: Read today's blog, author posts his interview with Burke.


I am pretty sure he has said on more occassions, you just missed all.

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04-07-2011, 07:44 PM
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It won't happen.

I'd rather have Bozak play 1C than have Kessel play it.

Kessel has minimal defensive skills. Even if he backchecks extremely hard, he is not hard enough on his stick to get anything productive done.

Centers have to skate pretty much 200 ft every rush. Kessel isn't athletically gifted. Yes, he has speed. But he is too small, doesn't have great cardiovascular ability. The more you make him work to be defensively responsible, the less you will get out of him offensively. The more you make him skate, the less speed he will have on the offensive rush. He isn't Kulemin.

Key characteristics of a center: Defensively responsible. Strong on puck. Can maintain possession. Athletically above average.


Does Ribeiro possess these qualities in your opinion? Spezza?


Kessel has a very active stick, excellent vision, and the ability to think the game at a high level. He can exploit holes and create seams with his puckhandling abilities better than most. We complain that he's one-dimensional yet show enormous resistance to any notion of removing him from his comfort zone. He's not the ideal 1C, but nobody rated Grabo as a top 6 centre last year either. He reinvented himself because he HAD to. When Kessel was challenged to become more than a sniper, he started battling, showing a better 2nd effort, and played a 200-foot game. He also went on a tear as a result. If a top line of Parise-Kessel-Lupul was an option, and it didnt bankrupt the future, I would ABSOLUTELY make the move to put Kessel in the 1-hole. By the time Loops' contract expires, Colborne will be either 1C or 2C and some of the other youngsters produced ORGANICALLY (sorry to those who struggle with the use of the word in this context) will be ready to step up.
Lol everyone is acting like its the worst thing ever moving forward. I only said if he cant get a top c, and then a good deal for a winger becomes available. this is what im saying, it could work, and most likely would work better than doing nothing and only running lupul - bozak - kessel

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04-07-2011, 08:19 PM
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Take everything Kessel does well, and KILL it.

Take all of Kessel's weaknesses and AMPLIFY THEM.

That's what happens if he plays Centre.

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04-07-2011, 11:03 PM
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Take everything Kessel does well, and KILL it.

Take all of Kessel's weaknesses and AMPLIFY THEM.

That's what happens if he plays Centre.
Easy claim to make, but can you break that rationale down for me?

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04-07-2011, 11:11 PM
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I thought about this before since the only real options in free agency were Brad Richards and Tim Connolly.

I'm not 100% against this issue, but I think that he best serves as a winger. The down side of him playing centre would be, defensively he would have to improve. You wouldn't see him burst down the wings and snap a shot. He would have to play catch up in each play if he's playing the 2 way hockey as a centreman does.

The only benefit that I can really see of him playing centre is the free reign that he would have throughout the ice.

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04-07-2011, 11:28 PM
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Easy claim to make, but can you break that rationale down for me?
Offensively, Kessel's a sniper. He's most effective and dangerous when there's a passer, defensively responsible, playing the middle (ideally, left hand shot). Not unlike Bure, his explosive speed is most dangerous on the rush, outside his own zone. He's got tremendous speed and stickhandling skills, he can generate offense off the rush as well as anyone in hockey. Adding the responsibility a centre faces would eliminate him as a threat on the rush.

Without the puck, in his own zone (when he shows up) Kessel's just brutal. Positionally weak, he doesn't anticipate the play, doesn't win puck battles, doesn't have the smarts to maintain body position and would get eaten alive against other top centres in the conference.

Why have your best player put in a position to struggle defensively and take away his productivity on offense?

You put Kessel with a good passing centreman who can play without the puck and he becomes far more dangerous. The best example I can think of is Grabner. The minute he started playing with Frans Nielsen he became a 40 goal scorer. He gets 3-4 breakaways a game, he and Nielsen have 13 shorthanded goals among them, Grabner has zero responsibility in his own zone but the minute Nielsen has the puck, Grabner takes off like a bullet and is unstoppable. Kessel's a better player than Grabner, but they play a very similar game.

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04-08-2011, 10:12 AM
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only if the other winger is parise.

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It is not the ideal position for him, but what happens this summer if we cannot acquire a bonafide 1C, but a deal for a big winger is available? I would not balk at the idea of Kessel moving back to centre and having the winger takes his place. We still keep the chemistry with Lupul, and since Lupul's arrival, I think we have seen Kessel's playmaking ability a bit more evident.

I would not be shocked if this happened, and it might be a good way to motivate to work harder in his own end of the ice.

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Centre's have to go to area's of the ice that Phil doesn't want to go and won't go, and back checking is what Phil thinks of while watching a Horror Movie.

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It won't happen.

I'd rather have Bozak play 1C than have Kessel play it.

Kessel has minimal defensive skills. Even if he backchecks extremely hard, he is not hard enough on his stick to get anything productive done.

Centers have to skate pretty much 200 ft every rush. Kessel isn't athletically gifted. Yes, he has speed. But he is too small, doesn't have great cardiovascular ability. The more you make him work to be defensively responsible, the less you will get out of him offensively. The more you make him skate, the less speed he will have on the offensive rush. He isn't Kulemin.

Key characteristics of a center: Defensively responsible. Strong on puck. Can maintain possession. Athletically above average.

Kessel has none of those skills. By putting him in center, you will take his energy, take his speed, run him down, take away his offensive abilities.
Ummm....did you happen to catch any games this year??

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04-08-2011, 12:06 PM
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Easy claim to make, but can you break that rationale down for me?
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The Phil Kessel to Center experiment officially died sometime in Dec, Phil is a much better winger than Center. What he needs to do is learn how to get the puck out on the boards on the shoot around. This is his biggest weakness, after the allstar break his backchecking has improved 100%, he actually has broken up many chances with his speed and a change in attitude in playing a 200ft game. If I were the Leafs, I would have him work with Colby Armstrong on how to get the puck out on the shoot around, Colby is one of the best at this talent and it seems so logical to have him work with Phil that I would be shocked why no one has suggested it yet. At the moment Phil just flips the puck up or deflects the puck out of the zone, this is another small thing that people don't notice that makes players valuable. Teams that are able to do this skill sucessfully are so much more better in the end.

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04-08-2011, 05:48 PM
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only if the other winger is parise.
totally agree on that one

kessel is a great passer as you probably all have realized by now but sometimes he hangs on to the puck too long to try and make the perfect play but if he gets that out of his game he would be a deadly center who can pass and snipe.

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