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04-09-2011, 07:07 PM
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As most of you probably know by now, this new rule for 2011 will directly put the Rangers out of the postseason if Carolina wins tonight. To me, its complete BS that we have 44 wins and Carolina can max out at 41 wins with a win, yet we lose the tiebreaker.

The league has put so much effort into promoting the shootout and making it seem so exciting and great for the regular season, yet they take away its importance when push comes to shove. Either take the shootout out of hockey completely, or let it count as a win. The fact that we havn't clinched a playoff berth because of this "ROW" crap is mind boggling and a huge flaw in the leagues point system. (As if it wasn't bad already).

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It is complete BS. If they're going to treat a SO win as anything OTHER than a win, then they need to eliminate the SO entirely. A win is a win. We shouldn't lose out because we won more games in the gimmick that the league invited.

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I still don't understand why OT is needed at all in the regular season. It's ok for games to end in a draw.

Just have 3 points for a win 0 for a loss and 1 each for the draw. That way there's still a large incentive for teams to get the W and you don't have to worry about strange tie break rules.

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yea, it's ********. tell me how a team with 44 wins could probably miss the playoffs, and a team who needs 41 wins makes it..explain that to me..what's the point of having shootouts if you're not going to count it in the win column? the league needs a reform with some of its rules.

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So a shootout win counts the same as a regulation or OT win except for the tiebreaker when it counts the same as a loss. Yeah that makes sense.

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2 points REG win
1 point OT/SO win
0 points ANY loss

And then you don't need the stupid tie-breaker.

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The real problem is the league wanted to get rid of ties and have a winner in every game.

But they never got rid of the tie.

The loss point is really just still the tie point.

And they hand out an extra point for a win.

It's stupid.

This ROW tiebreaker is a half-assed way of eliminating the tie point.

JUST GET RID OF IT.

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04-09-2011, 07:51 PM
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yea, it's ********. tell me how a team with 44 wins could probably miss the playoffs, and a team who needs 41 wins makes it..explain that to me..what's the point of having shootouts if you're not going to count it in the win column? the league needs a reform with some of its rules.
We have one less win than Boston who is in 3rd, yet we could potential miss the playoffs.
HUGE flaw.

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Personally, I'm okay with how they're doing this.....

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2 points REG win
1 point OT/SO win
0 points ANY loss

And then you don't need the stupid tie-breaker.
I really prefer ties over that. This also punishes strong divisions with a lot of ties and boosts strong teams from weak divisions even more.

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I think a team should be rewarded for winning while actual hockey is still being played. So therefore:

3 points regulation or overtime win
2 points shootout win
1 point shootout loss

Every game is worth three points.

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I think shootout wins are more fair than sudden death OT. Lets say team A scores in the first minute of OT, who is to say team B wouldn't have scored 2 or 3 goals in the next 4 minutes?

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I think the rule is great. One step in the right direction. One step closer to dumping the shootout all together.

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I think the rule is great. One step in the right direction. One step closer to dumping the shootout all together.
Yep. That's really what we need to get to.

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I really prefer ties over that. This also punishes strong divisions with a lot of ties and boosts strong teams from weak divisions even more.
I wouldn't mind ties again.

Anything to get rid of being awarded points in a loss.

Loss points obviously benefits us equally as much as everyone else in the league, but it doesn't make it right.

There's a flaw when a team could theoretically lose all 82 games in OT/SO and collect 82 points.

There has to be a way to get rid of loss points and still have the same parity in the standings.

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Ties in points should be decided by a 1 game play off, that would be damn exciting.

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For a while I was thinking we should go to the 3 point system. I changed my mind. We should bring back ties after one 5 minute overtime and no overtime losses. Just W-L-T (2-0-1).

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For a while I was thinking we should go to the 3 point system. I changed my mind. We should bring back ties after one 5 minute overtime and no overtime losses. Just W-L-T (2-0-1).
Of course you don't need a 3 point system when all games are worth the same - like in your scenario. I would definitely prefer that, but if there are shootouts, we need the "loser" point for that and then, in turn, the 3 point system to make all games worth the same. But I guess it'll never happen.

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Should be a win is a win, a loss is a loss, period. Don't care if you get it to overtime or a shoot out, you lose you get nothing.

End of the year if tied in wins, go to head to head record. Head to head tied? 1 game playoff, team with the better goal differential is the home team.

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Ties in points should be decided by a 1 game play off, that would be damn exciting.
AGREE

After all, the league wanted to go with a point system, the points should be the thing that matters most. Not how the teams got the points.

A one game playoff would be SICK to watch.

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For a while I was thinking we should go to the 3 point system. I changed my mind. We should bring back ties after one 5 minute overtime and no overtime losses. Just W-L-T (2-0-1).
Yes.

This would really get the regular season back to a more pure form of hockey.

Except, i would like a longer OT.

10 minute 4v4 OT.

Most games would have a winner anyway with that much time at 4v4.

Or get rid of OT all together and just leave it at regulation.

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As I have been saying all along:

3 points outright win
2 points OT or S/O win
1 point for regulation draw ie OT/SO loss.

Easy peasy

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the shootout is here to stay!

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Ties in points should be decided by a 1 game play off, that would be damn exciting.
totally agree. one plays 80 games and than loses on lack of wins in shoutouts? A joke.

One extra game would be a scorcher!

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Ties in points should be decided by a 1 game play off, that would be damn exciting.
And what if there's a three-way tie?

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