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04-10-2011, 12:54 AM
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Philly/NYIslanders (Offseason)

To Flyers: Michael Grabner

To Islanders: Jeff Carter

Grabner would be absolutely lethal playing with Daniel Briere and perhaps, Claude Giroux, not to mention their defense's ability to make a good first pass. Plus, the Flyers open up some much needed cap space.

Grabner / Briere / Giroux
JvR / Richards / Versteeg
Hartnell / Powe / Leino
Shelley / Betts / Nodl


Though it hurts to give up good, young players, the Islanders need a solid second line center. Carter is former 40+ goal scorer. He's a consistent 30+ goal scorer and a good guy on the PP. Carter would be a perfect fit on Long Island. A move like this gives the Isles much more flexibility and imo, makes them a better team overall.

Comeau / Tavares / Okposo
Moulson / Carter / Parenteau
Bailey / Nielsen / Hunter
Martin / Konopka / Gilles


Is this a fair trade? Do either team have to add or is this deal a nonstarter?

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The Flyers don't even consider it.

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Pass from Flyers. Islanders have to add more to this, Grabner has one good year and he is somehow worth Carter straight up, especially given Carter has a very reasonable cap hit.

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04-10-2011, 01:31 AM
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Carter just signed an extension for 11 years. Value is way off as well.

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To Phi - Tavares

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Grabner would be absolutely lethal playing with Daniel Briere and perhaps, Claude Giroux, not to mention their defense's ability to make a good first pass. Plus, the Flyers open up some much needed cap space.
Not even going into value and stuff like that, but that line would get pushed around by pretty much anyone.

Plus, imo the Flyers should look to get a little bit bigger and stronger upfront, trading a 6'3 210lbs center for Grabner, who I think is 6'0 190 or something like that doesn't make sense.
Plus Carter's on a pretty good contract.

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Have one great season and be worth a player who's been doing better for at least 4 seasons. This really is HF.
However, the Islanders would have to add to this deal. Don't know how much though.

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04-10-2011, 06:27 AM
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To Flyers: Michael Grabner

To Islanders: Jeff Carter


Is this a fair trade? Do either team have to add or is this deal a nonstarter?
First off, are you kidding?
Grabner played great getting tonnes of time on a terrible team. He is still an unproven commodity that is one dimensional.
Sure he can fly and given top 6 minutes he had a great year but is he a top 6 forward on a good team? what happens if he falls onto a 3rd line role with no PP time. 12-17 goals, or maybe even back on waivers, If someone is going to get Carter out for Philly i think we are looking at a huge package 1-2 current roster players and 2-3 picks (1st or 2nd) or non project prospects as a starting point.

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04-10-2011, 06:56 AM
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Grabner looks great, but his value is not Jeff Carter. Not yet.

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04-10-2011, 07:17 AM
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First off, are you kidding?
Grabner played great getting tonnes of time on a terrible team. He is still an unproven commodity that is one dimensional.
Sure he can fly and given top 6 minutes he had a great year but is he a top 6 forward on a good team? what happens if he falls onto a 3rd line role with no PP time. 12-17 goals, or maybe even back on waivers, If someone is going to get Carter out for Philly i think we are looking at a huge package 1-2 current roster players and 2-3 picks (1st or 2nd) or non project prospects as a starting point.
The value is off, obviously. But you're ignorant about Grabner. If you looked at his TOI, PPTOI, and SHTOI through most of the season, you'd have thought he was a third-liner.

Grabner isn't a traditional "top-6" player. He's the hockey version of "the microwave". And IMO he's going to sign a 3 year deal so we can forget these dang proposals.

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04-10-2011, 07:23 AM
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No way the Flyers do this, but I still can't believe the Panthers let Grabner go .... one of the worst management decisions over the past year.

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To Flyers: Michael Grabner

To Islanders: Jeff Carter

Grabner would be absolutely lethal playing with Daniel Briere and perhaps, Claude Giroux, not to mention their defense's ability to make a good first pass. Plus, the Flyers open up some much needed cap space.

Grabner / Briere / Giroux
JvR / Richards / Versteeg
Hartnell / Powe / Leino
Shelley / Betts / Nodl


Though it hurts to give up good, young players, the Islanders need a solid second line center. Carter is former 40+ goal scorer. He's a consistent 30+ goal scorer and a good guy on the PP. Carter would be a perfect fit on Long Island. A move like this gives the Isles much more flexibility and imo, makes them a better team overall.

Comeau / Tavares / Okposo
Moulson / Carter / Parenteau
Bailey / Nielsen / Hunter
Martin / Konopka / Gilles


Is this a fair trade? Do either team have to add or is this deal a nonstarter?
RottenScoundrel,I have to give you props.You've posted a trade proposal where both sides give up something they greatly value.

No take my mid-late 1st and spare parts, for your team's key player

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04-10-2011, 08:08 AM
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Fail.

The OP is not an Isles fan.

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Flyers would be stupid to even consider this.

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I'd love to move Carter, but you'll have to do better than that

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I don't know why either team would do this? No need to trade Carter and Grabner is scoring 30+ goals in his rookie season.

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You don't trade a player just entering an 11 years contract. He also has a full NTC until 2015 and modified until 2022. Not to mention the unbalanced value of the trade.

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Grabner will have to prove he can be a consistent 30-40 goal scorer over at least 2 more years before he has this type of value.

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First off, are you kidding?
Grabner played great getting tonnes of time on a terrible team. He is still an unproven commodity that is one dimensional.
Sure he can fly and given top 6 minutes he had a great year but is he a top 6 forward on a good team? what happens if he falls onto a 3rd line role with no PP time. 12-17 goals, or maybe even back on waivers, If someone is going to get Carter out for Philly i think we are looking at a huge package 1-2 current roster players and 2-3 picks (1st or 2nd) or non project prospects as a starting point.
This is just ignorant and completely wrong, you obviously have never watched Grabner play this season. 100% wrong.

As for this trade, Carter is worth a lot more than Grabner as of right now. That could change in the next couple of seasons, but as of right now Grabner needs to gain more experience and prove he was not a 1 year wonder.

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Trading Carter to a division rival sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, imo.

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as an islander fan, i wish!
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First off, are you kidding?
Grabner played great getting tonnes of time on a terrible team. He is still an unproven commodity that is one dimensional.
Sure he can fly and given top 6 minutes he had a great year but is he a top 6 forward on a good team? what happens if he falls onto a 3rd line role with no PP time. 12-17 goals, or maybe even back on waivers, If someone is going to get Carter out for Philly i think we are looking at a huge package 1-2 current roster players and 2-3 picks (1st or 2nd) or non project prospects as a starting point.
i just wish you knew what your talking about so that wait you have put the smiley at the bottom or the white color 'JK' at the bottom, but you're serious and its sad that you wrote all of that without knowing a lick about grabner.

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Islanders better take that deal and run

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First off, are you kidding?
Grabner played great getting tonnes of time on a terrible team. He is still an unproven commodity that is one dimensional.
Sure he can fly and given top 6 minutes he had a great year but is he a top 6 forward on a good team? what happens if he falls onto a 3rd line role with no PP time. 12-17 goals, or maybe even back on waivers, If someone is going to get Carter out for Philly i think we are looking at a huge package 1-2 current roster players and 2-3 picks (1st or 2nd) or non project prospects as a starting point.


None of this is educated. None.

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