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04-07-2011, 02:34 PM
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yeah a terrible player, but equivalent players who are Canadian are good o'l Canadian boys.
Good old Canadian boys don't lose puck battles or mess around with the puck in their own end. The only reason he gets away with it thus far is because of that shot of his, which he never gets off. His dog and pony show won't last much longer at this rate.

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its not about us catching tampa, its the pitts catching philly.
OH, ... that would be sweet. Would MUCH prefer Pittsburgh than those other three.

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04-07-2011, 02:51 PM
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But he's suited to be a top line center? Imo not really.
hello no. I do not even think he will become an everyday NHL'r, but he is more likely to do so at center.

I wish him well, but I just would not put my own money on a team where DD is a top 2 center.

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04-07-2011, 03:01 PM
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Gomez has stepped it up lately, might not show yet on score sheet but he's playing a lot better than he was and if he can keep it up he can be an effective player for us in the playoffs.. I'm not sure how DD will fair in playoff type games, I think JM has a plan in mind for him, he's been good with rookies lately, look what he's done with Subban and the progression in Eller's game. I just wish we'd have MaxPac playing with the Gomez from the last few games versus the one he used to paly with lol

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04-07-2011, 03:01 PM
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Points are not the only standard. He cannot win a puck battle, is scary in his own end and ineffective anywhere on the ice other than when it's put on a platter for him. Terrible player. We'll never win with guys like this. We don't have any superstars, so every player in our lineup has to contribute come playoff time. Really contribute, not just pick up soft points.

Hopefully some of these kids will steal his job, but it's unlikely with Patches out of the lineup.
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04-07-2011, 03:28 PM
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I think some of you are a little off in your assessment of DD.
If he can play on the PK well why is it he gets so much flak about his defensive game?

I think some just say it as if it is true cause he is small and a rookie. Fact is though that he is good defensively so much so that he gets increased PK time now. His regular strength minutes are with players that have troubles in their own zone and are not good enough to kill penalties or stay on a top line.

DD himself is very good at all 3 zones and wins puck battles regularly and wins faceoffs regularly.

I believe once the playoffs start DD will earn more icetime as it becomes apparent he is our second best center on this team and wins are all that matters in the post season. Gomez will get his veteran chance at first, but after that whoever is playing best gets the icetime.

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Cammalleri is playing on the PK regularly, yet I don't see him as being good defensively. Ditto for DD

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04-07-2011, 03:48 PM
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Matchups.

More ice-time doesn't mean more points. He does well in his role. Matching up against other teams lower lines/defence pairings. More ice-time means more time against the other teams better shut down players.

Keep him where he is. Let him continue to develop. If he does this, his ice time will increase.
Exactly, he is risky at time in the defensive zone and loses some important faceoffs, will always be limited by his lack of size and speed but the good outweight the bad at the moment, and as you say, Jacques Martin match him up properly.

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04-07-2011, 04:00 PM
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Pretty hard to find his grove if he`s not getting a regular shift .

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04-07-2011, 04:03 PM
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I think his ice time is fair as it is now. He's like a forward version of M.A. Bergeron at this point in his career, IMO. A PP specialist who struggles against the other team's top players in 5 on 5 situations. If we face Boston, I'd rather not have to watch him play a lot of minutes against Bergeron, Krejci, Horton, Lucic, etc.


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04-07-2011, 04:17 PM
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Pretty hard to find his grove if he`s not getting a regular shift .
Maybe he should earn it.

I will repeat I posted earlier:

"The problem with people is that they project their sense of immediate entitlement onto others that they may like. Nowadays, everyone believes that everything is owed to them, that they do not need to earn it over an EXTENDED stretch of time. No, it must be given to them the moment they walk through the door.

I do not see DD complaining. Maybe we should follow his lead"

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04-07-2011, 04:21 PM
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DD gets PP time. That's enough for me. The vets will crank it up for the playoffs.

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I think Desharnais needs to be converted to winger. I have multiple reasons for this.

1) Being small down the middle is probably the worst possible place to be small up front............
I'm not going to say that size does not help in certain situations, but the statement above is 180 degrees wrong.

Historically in the NHL, centremen have averaged out smaller than wingers.

Martin St. Louis is a HUGE exception!

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Maybe he should earn it.

I will repeat I posted earlier:

"The problem with people is that they project their sense of immediate entitlement onto others that they may like. Nowadays, everyone believes that everything is owed to them, that they do not need to earn it over an EXTENDED stretch of time. No, it must be given to them the moment they walk through the door.

I do not see DD complaining. Maybe we should follow his lead"
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Most players that make it to the big league play their best hockey for the first 20 games or so and then fade...adrenaline and the thrill of making it elevate their play. It is now that we will know what DD can bring on a regular basis. He has not deserved the extra icetime over the last 5-10 games IMO.

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04-08-2011, 06:05 AM
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as i've mentioned before and as other less delusional fan have mentioned: he simply isn't ready for top-line duty. he profits from good match ups. he's got a hard job, centering a line, and is doing a good job considering who is on his wings. so let's take our time, i really really like this guy so let's take it easy and hope he develops successfully

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04-08-2011, 06:44 AM
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Honestly I'd like to see him be a winger on Lars Eller's line. Have him take the faceoffs until Eller improves then give Eller the centerman defensive responsibilities. Maybe have them switch in the offensive zone again since that's Desharnais' forte. At worst when he gets thrown out of the faceoff circle we've got Eller right there as a natural centerman.

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04-08-2011, 06:49 AM
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I'm not going to say that size does not help in certain situations, but the statement above is 180 degrees wrong.

Historically in the NHL, centremen have averaged out smaller than wingers.

Martin St. Louis is a HUGE exception!
Yup. Size is far more important for wingers, who get to play along the boards. The thing with big centers is mostly because they ''strike the imagination''. People want a new Jean Beliveau, or our own Mario Lemieux. Thats why imho there was a million trade proposals to get Vincent Lecavalier or people wanted half of the organisation fired because Kopitar and Getzlaf weren't picked.

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04-08-2011, 07:51 AM
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He's saving his scoring for Philly.

I haven't watched the last two games, but before that he was doing the same as he was before. He might not be getting put in the biggest of situations, but he's developing. Let him develop.

I would not be opposed to him being the 2nd line centre, but that's only because I don't want Gomez in the lineup. He's likely not ready for it though, but he will be.

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Yup. Size is far more important for wingers, who get to play along the boards. The thing with big centers is mostly because they ''strike the imagination''. People want a new Jean Beliveau, or our own Mario Lemieux. Thats why imho there was a million trade proposals to get Vincent Lecavalier or people wanted half of the organisation fired because Kopitar and Getzlaf weren't picked.
the odd thing is, he IS good along the boards. you can have a quick look at the guy's thread where he keeps track of that but that is definitely one of his forte.

off the top of my head, i see im mostly winning those battles, not losing

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04-10-2011, 12:01 AM
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Well since I posted this thread he has had a regular shift, but for whatever reson he thinks it`s his job (and his job only) to set up Pouliot, and that appears to be all he`s thinking about out there. David has a qick sneaky release and can get himself in position to score but wastes it by passing when he`s in the slot.He needs to get the old Captain Gionta "Eye of the Tiger."

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04-10-2011, 07:27 AM
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I just don`t get why in the world David Desharnais doesn`t get more icetime. Since joining the team he led the team in points (except for Max Pac) but for some reason he just doesn`t get recognized for the talent that he is. He wins faceoffs, skates like the wind and is a fantastic setup man who has a nose for the net. I DON`T GET IT ! Maybe others can shed some light.
I dont get it either

WTF is he doing on this team in the first place ?

folks the dude has no purpose on this team ...he has struggled big time down the stretch and the bottom line is simple...we dont need another small player on a small team to begin with

his stats are ok ...just ok ? its not as if we have the next St.Louis here

he is a nice depth filler but this management team simply will stick with players who have no role moving forward

he cant play on a bottom 6 with his defensive liabilities and isnt good enough to get a top 2 center role but he plays regularly and while we should be developing other players who maybe part of the team one day long term

he plays more minutes and more PP than Eller who has all the tools to be a top 6
and clearly fits in long term

If DD is seriously part of this team moving forward its a joke folks

he is your classic MAB but a forward ....bouncing from team to team

Dawes is a much better player and he has the same type of depth filler status

we play Pyatt for 2 seasons yet White who is a solid warrior on the 4th line cant make the team ....what role does Pyatt have with us ? upside ....none ?

Dags cant play with us on the bottom 6 but we pay Moen 1.6 for 5 goals a year when you have a better player on the cheap with more upside

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04-10-2011, 07:53 AM
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Such polarizing opinions on this player, leads me to think there are biases going on in this thread, either negative or positive.

DD is an effective bottom 6 player, despite what people say(ridiculously I might add), DD wins a lot of puck battles, and is a hockey strong player. The kid is shifty, is pretty strong on his feet and has good agility. He is fine defensively, sure he has made some glaring mistakes, but what rookie doesnt.

He is not better than Gomez, nor is he ready for top 6. He is not a second line center, simple as that, higher opposition against him will tear him apart at this stage in his career.

He is an X factor on the bottom lines, and a good one to have because he brings a little dynamic qualities to the team. Let him stay down there, its where he belongs, behind Gomez, Plekanec and Eller.

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Why would you troll that post. he made alot of true points. DD has done nothing lately,and at that size it's top 6 playmaker or nothing. You want our bottom 6 to be even softer ? C'mon man,think
Why do you assume that a small player cannot be an effective bottom 6 player, and therefore MUST be a top 6 player?

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I think he is,and will be one hell of a hockey player. He sees the ice very well and works hard. I say get him away from Pouliot and let him set AK47 up in the slot.

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Why would you troll that post. he made alot of true points. DD has done nothing lately,and at that size it's top 6 playmaker or nothing. You want our bottom 6 to be even softer ? C'mon man,think
thanks for the support ....this is lunacy

we have been whining for years about a small team and we add another midget to a small team

folks I have no issue with DD ...its just the fit

the dude is 25 not 20 or a proven scorer in Gionta who can play on anyone`s top 6

he is not Marchand who plays 6`4" and can play top 6 ....he is a depth filler

he isnt a smallish Mikael Granlund a legit top 10 pick you are waiting to to become possibly a legit center in a few years

he is an career AHL`r where he belongs and is only a cup of coffee player at this stage

how can we play him more than a legit Eller who we all agree has the tools

this is BS hab fans ....and it goes on every year

Eller....Dags....etc... cant get minutes but we are playing dudes like Pyatt ...DD..and MAB types like they are going to provide us with anything

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thanks for the support ....this is lunacy

we have been whining for years about a small team and we add another midget to a small team

folks I have no issue with DD ...its just the fit

the dude is 25 not 20 or a proven scorer in Gionta who can play on anyone`s top 6

he is not Marchand who plays 6`4" and can play top 6 ....he is a depth filler

he isnt a smallish Mikael Granlund a legit top 10 pick you are waiting to to become possibly a legit center in a few years

he is an career AHL`r where he belongs and is only a cup of coffee player at this stage

how can we play him more than a legit Eller who we all agree has the tools

this is BS hab fans ....and it goes on every year

Eller....Dags....etc... cant get minutes but we are playing dudes like Pyatt ...DD..and MAB types like they are going to provide us with anything
You might be right about DD, but you don't enhance your credibility by ragging on Tom Pyatt. Desharnais was not drafted, while Pyatt was a two-time WJC champ.

Pyatt provides superior defensive ability, with above-average NHL speed and a high level of discipline.

MAB was not re-signed, but I agree he is mediocre.

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