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04-10-2011, 08:39 PM
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A NMC does not prevent a team from buying out a player.

This has been discussed here elsewhere on this board (probably the Drury thread), but I don't have time to go find it now.
I respect Drury for what he has done in his career but if they need to buy him out to have enough space for Richards and resigning the Packline plus Sauer, Boyle then so be it.

We need a #1 C and PP specialist and that's Richards

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A NMC does not prevent a team from buying out a player.

This has been discussed here elsewhere on this board (probably the Drury thread), but I don't have time to go find it now.
Now that I have another minute, Darcy Tucker was bought out despite having a NMC.

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Just to clear up a matter relating to my blog on Darcy Tucker from Monday night, the long-time Leafs' winger has a no-movement clause in his contract. There was some confusion over whether Tucker's restriction applied only to trades, but he, in fact, cannot be dealt, or demoted to the AHL Toronto Marlies. The only option the Leafs have in paring him from the club -- if they so choose -- is to buy out the remaining three years of his deal.
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If the Leafs decide to purchase the remainder of Tucker's contract, they must first provide him with a 24-hour window to either accept the buyout, or choose to be placed on unconditional waivers. In just about every circumstance, a player will elect the buyout option, for it comes with both a monetary handshake (two-thirds of the remaining dollar figure) and unrestricted free agency.
The player has the option of being placed on waivers prior to the buyout, but cannot exercise the NMC to prevent the buyout.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=15648

I remember doing a more thorough explanation citing the relevant CBA provisions at some point, but don't remember where.

Summary: If Sather chooses to buyout Drury, there's nothing Drury can do to stop it.

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Was Richards interviewed after Dallas' loss?

And having a NMC does not prevent at team from buying that player in the off season.

I think the buyout period is sometime between the draft and July 1st.

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Was Richards interviewed after Dallas' loss?

And having a NMC does not prevent at team from buying that player in the off season.

I think the buyout period is sometime between the draft and July 1st.
It's a 2 week period (June 15th-30th, iirc). A second buyout period opens up for a few days after any salary arbitration decision for the team.

If the Rangers buyout Drury, it likely will have to be before July 1st when Richards can even be signed.

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He has to let you buy him out. Full NMC. You can't even waive him unless he approves it.
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Just thinking aloud/in type.

What would Drury's cap hit be and for how many years, if we buy out Drury?

If Richards decides not to sign here, what is plan B?

I'm not saying I prefer it one way or the other, but I hope there is a well thought out plan regarding the Richards/No Richards/Drury issue and they don't wing things on the fly.

Tier two guys that could become available, and are very good players:

Stephen Weiss - FLA rebuilding
Joe Pavelski - Couture+Thornton

Both have decent/affordable contracts. Especially Weiss (approx 3 mil per).

Or, perhaps we could look longer term and trade up at the draft for a player like Ryan Strome and wait a year.

One thing I hope is that Sather doesn't cave in to all of Richards' demands. I've been vocal as a supporter of bringing in Richards so I hope we do get him. But not at all costs. The contract NEEDS to be reasonable. The Rangers NEED to be able to keep their core together long term.

5 years.
6 per.
30 mil total.

I think that's the highest I'd go for Richards, given his age, and the recent concussion.

Does it get it done?

Do we have the will power to set a price and walk away if its not what Richards and his agent are looking for?

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Just thinking aloud/in type.

What would Drury's cap hit be and for how many years, if we buy out Drury?

If Richards decides not to sign here, what is plan B?

I'm not saying I prefer it one way or the other, but I hope there is a well thought out plan regarding the Richards/No Richards/Drury issue and they don't wing things on the fly.

Tier two guys that could become available, and are very good players:

Stephen Weiss - FLA rebuilding
Joe Pavelski - Couture+Thornton

Both have decent/affordable contracts. Especially Weiss (approx 3 mil per).

Or, perhaps we could look longer term and trade up at the draft for a player like Ryan Strome and wait a year.

One thing I hope is that Sather doesn't cave in to all of Richards' demands. I've been vocal as a supporter of bringing in Richards so I hope we do get him. But not at all costs. The contract NEEDS to be reasonable. The Rangers NEED to be able to keep their core together long term.

5 years.
6 per.
30 mil total.


I think that's the highest I'd go for Richards, given his age, and the recent concussion.

Does it get it done?

Do we have the will power to set a price and walk away if its not what Richards and his agent are looking for?
I think Burke tries to one up that.

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I think Burke tries to one up that.
He probably does.

But that's what I mean about caving in, will power and all that.

Richards hinted toward not wanting to play in Toronto, so, use it against him in negotiations.

No doubt his agent will use Toronto to drive his price up, though.

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I think richards winds up costing gaborik money something around 5 years 35 mill imo

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Just thinking aloud/in type.

What would Drury's cap hit be and for how many years, if we buy out Drury?

If Richards decides not to sign here, what is plan B?

I'm not saying I prefer it one way or the other, but I hope there is a well thought out plan regarding the Richards/No Richards/Drury issue and they don't wing things on the fly.

Tier two guys that could become available, and are very good players:

Stephen Weiss - FLA rebuilding
Joe Pavelski - Couture+Thornton

Both have decent/affordable contracts. Especially Weiss (approx 3 mil per).

Or, perhaps we could look longer term and trade up at the draft for a player like Ryan Strome and wait a year.

One thing I hope is that Sather doesn't cave in to all of Richards' demands. I've been vocal as a supporter of bringing in Richards so I hope we do get him. But not at all costs. The contract NEEDS to be reasonable. The Rangers NEED to be able to keep their core together long term.

5 years.
6 per.
30 mil total.

I think that's the highest I'd go for Richards, given his age, and the recent concussion.

Does it get it done?

Do we have the will power to set a price and walk away if its not what Richards and his agent are looking for?

I'd rather have Connolly than Weiss, but it looks like Buffalo's new owner will try real hard to lock guys up.

And I think Pavelski's standing with SJ will be determined by the playoffs. If they have another early bow-out, he could be available, but he was a playoff beast twice and he is coming off a career year.

If Richards is out of reach, just stay the course. To be quite honest, if he doesnt come here, i might entertain the idea of trading gaborik as well.

The 2013 UFA class as of now is probably the best in history (Perry, Getzlaf, Crosby, Staal, Horton, Roy, Morrow, Clowe).

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Just thinking aloud/in type.

What would Drury's cap hit be and for how many years, if we buy out Drury?
2011-2012 cap hit $3,716,667
2012-2013 cap hit $1,666,667

He made a difference in one game this season, it was the game that saved our season though. If he plays like he used to in the playoffs, everything changes. I'm excited to see how this plays out.

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I'd rather have Connolly than Weiss, but it looks like Buffalo's new owner will try real hard to lock guys up.

And I think Pavelski's standing with SJ will be determined by the playoffs. If they have another early bow-out, he could be available, but he was a playoff beast twice and he is coming off a career year.

If Richards is out of reach, just stay the course. To be quite honest, if he doesnt come here, i might entertain the idea of trading gaborik as well.

The 2013 UFA class as of now is probably the best in history (Perry, Getzlaf, Crosby, Staal, Horton, Roy, Morrow, Clowe).
Perry and Getzlaf re-sign

Crosby re-signs

I'd LOVE Morrow though.

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I think richards winds up costing gaborik money something around 5 years 35 mill imo
If we can get him to take a 5 year deal I won't be so upset about it. Personally I'd prefer 3 or 4 years, but that's wishful thinking.

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Perry and Getzlaf re-sign

Crosby re-signs

I'd LOVE Morrow though.
Nah man, he's coming to New York.

Seriously, that would probably be the greatest thing that ever happened to the Rangers if he signed here. There's about a .1% chance of that happening, though.

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If we can get him to take a 5 year deal I won't be so upset about it. Personally I'd prefer 3 or 4 years, but that's wishful thinking.
3-4 years would be great, but I can't see him accepting anything less than a 5 year deal IMO. Lets hope we have a solid playoff run and he sees this as being his top destination as he
1) Fills the need for top line center/PP QB
2) Believes he puts this team closer to be a contender as opposed to a team fighting for a playoff spot
3) Is friends with Torts and Vinny/Feds
4) The Rangers will show him the money (maybe not the most, but defintely what he deserves as a UFA)

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Nah man, he's coming to New York.

Seriously, that would probably be the greatest thing that ever happened to the Rangers if he signed here. There's about a .1% chance of that happening, though.
The NHL will expand down to South America, and Bettman will need a new Gretzky to send down there. Since Crosby is the 'face of the nhl' (sticks finger down throat to puke), he will force the Penguins to trade Crosby to the Paraguay Pinguinos or something. Then Crosby will play there until he is a UFA and sign with the Rangers right after. Simple.

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The NHL will expand down to South America, and Bettman will need a new Gretzky to send down there. Since Crosby is the 'face of the nhl' (sticks finger down throat to puke), he will force the Penguins to trade Crosby to the Paraguay Pinguinos or something. Then Crosby will play there until he is a UFA and sign with the Rangers right after. Simple.
But he'll be 35 and washed up by then.

Oh wait, that's perfect!

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The second buyout period

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11.18 Ordinary Course Buy-Outs Outside the Regular Period. Clubs shall have the
right to exercise Ordinary Course Buy-Outs outside the regular period for Ordinary
Course Buy-Outs in accordance wit h Paragraph 13(c)(ii) of the SPC. Each Club shall be
limited to no more than three (3) such buyouts over the term of this Agreement pursuant
to Paragraph 13(c)(ii) of the SPC. However, in the event that a Club has only one salary
arbitration hearing pursuant to Section 12.3(a) in a given League Year, such Club shall
not be entitled to exercise such a buyout outside the regular period for Ordinary Course
Buy-Outs
. No Club shall exercise an Ordinary Course Buy-out outside the regular period
for any Player earning less than $1 million.
The Rangers have 5 arbitration eligible players. Four if you don't count Gilroy. Callahan,Dubinsky,Boyle and Sauer. If two of those players file for arbitration,the Rangers could buyout a player outside the regular buyout period. Need to have more than one case.

Atlanta had 3 arbitration cases so they were able to acquire Brashear and then buy him out.

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If Drury can stay HEALTHY and contribute in the playoffs,MAYBE the Rangers will be able to find a taker for Drury. Yes he has a NMC. Trying to fit Richards and Drury on the roster is not easy(unless the cap goes to $64M). $5M salary next season. 1 year remaining on the contract. Budget team. Team needs to reach the floor which will increase by al least $3M next season.

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Keep dreaming. Nobody wants Drury at 1/2 price, much less @ 7+ million. We can either hope that he regains form (20+ G & A) or retires. Other than that, he's not going anywhere.

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I'd rather have Connolly than Weiss, but it looks like Buffalo's new owner will try real hard to lock guys up.

And I think Pavelski's standing with SJ will be determined by the playoffs. If they have another early bow-out, he could be available, but he was a playoff beast twice and he is coming off a career year.

If Richards is out of reach, just stay the course. To be quite honest, if he doesnt come here, i might entertain the idea of trading gaborik as well.

The 2013 UFA class as of now is probably the best in history (Perry, Getzlaf, Crosby, Staal, Horton, Roy, Morrow, Clowe).

Yea, I agree.

Plus we would have to trade for Weiss or Pavelski. I don't think we are in position to give up valuable (probably young) assets.

I also mentioned trading up at the draft to be in position to draft someone like Ryan Strome. Could be an option.

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By the way, is that Eric or Jordan (Staal) that becomes a free agent next summer?

UFA or RFA?

Eric probably won't ever leave Carolina, but it would be amazing to get him here. He is one of my favorite players in the league.

Maybe Marc tries convincing him lol.

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Nah man, he's coming to New York.

Seriously, that would probably be the greatest thing that ever happened to the Rangers if he signed here. There's about a .1% chance of that happening, though.
He'd sign in New York but suffer another concussion that year and never again be the dominate player that he was; eventually reduced to centering the Rangers third line and occasionally showing glimpses of talent

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Keep dreaming. Nobody wants Drury at 1/2 price, much less @ 7+ million. We can either hope that he regains form (20+ G & A) or retires. Other than that, he's not going anywhere.
I don't think it's unfathomable that the Rangers could find a team to trade Drury to that is under the cap that and also looking to shed a "deadweight" player. The problem is Drury's NMC.

For instance, Edmonton will be paying Sheldon Souray $4.5m to play in the AHL next year if they don't buy him out. Edmonton's total cap hit this season was $45,381,452 (not including Souray's $5.4m cap hit). I'm sure they'd rather pay Chris Drury $5m (with a $7m cap hit) to be a veteran presence than pay Souray $4.5m to play in the AHL. Unfortunately, Drury's unlikely to waive his NMC for that type of team.

That leaves us with retirement (looking more and more unlikely now that he has returned to the lineup) or a buyout as our only options. I am fully in favor of buying him out, even if we then fail in our attempt to land Richards.

EDIT: The reason we'd trade for a guy like Souray rather than keep Drury is that Souray can be furloughed in the AHL. However, because of Redden and the summer cap calculations, it really doesn't help up much.

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Sather was able to move the Gomez,Kotalik,Cullen and Brashear contracts. You can lump Rozsival and his $5M cap hit in that group. Just like Rozsival,Drury's cap hit is more than his salary next season. Rozsival's $4M salary this season and $3M salary next season(11-12)made him attractive to PHX. They don't care about his cap hit. $5M in salary in 11-12 for Drury. Same argument can be made for Drury. Just like in the other deals(except Cullen)the Rangers took back short term money.

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