Boom or bust is fine with me, we need guys with potential for explosive offence. We don't need more complimentary players.
Yea sure Leblanc, Kristo will be good 2nd line/3rd line players but your right. I would go with a guy who has a huge upside on Offense. I don't want a David Fisher that's all.
Boom or bust is fine with me, we need guys with potential for explosive offence. We don't need more complimentary players.
Couldn't agree more man.
We need to seriously look at players like Z, Jensen, Oleksiak (I know hes another massive D but his offensive potential mixed with size makes him interesting to say the least), Nemark, and I know you don't like his size but Grimaldi. I love Zach Parise whom is 5'11, when drafted he was 5'10. I don't really believe size is an issue, if you have the speed, skill, hockey sense, and drive to back it up which Grimaldi is oozing.
Yea sure Leblanc, Kristo will be good 2nd line/3rd line players but your right. I would go with a guy who has a huge upside on Offense. I don't want a David Fisher that's all.
David Fischer had a huge upside. He was exactly a boom or bust kind of pick. The thing is, he busted. So if you are not willing to accept the risk of having another bust, then with a late first rounder, you probably should aim someone with a lower ceiling but a higher chance of reaching it.
If you don't mind drafting a Jessiman or a Sanguinetti to get a Del Zotto or a Kreider a few years later, then go with the boom or bust strategy.
Pierre Gauthier and his Q scout Serge Boivert were in Drumondville tonight watching the Drumondville/Gatineau game
notable prospects
-Sean Couturier (somehow dropping in the ranking could PG make a move to move up ??)
-Andrej Palat (didnt get pick last 2 draft but has been terrific this year with the volts)
-Jean-Gabriel Pageau (sparplug could be a gallagher/dumont type of pick but much better skater)
-Mathieu Gagnon (underated d-men, very impressive in the first roun again Rimouski)
Pierre Gauthier and his Q scout Serge Boivert were in Drumondville tonight watching the Drumondville/Gatineau game
notable prospects
-Sean Couturier (somehow dropping in the ranking could PG make a move to move up ??)
-Andrej Palat (didnt get pick last 2 draft but has been terrific this year with the volts)
-Jean-Gabriel Pageau (sparplug could be a gallagher/dumont type of pick but much better skater)
-Mathieu Gagnon (underated d-men, very impressive in the first roun again Rimouski)
You know what I think about Gagnon.
But my gut feeling is Pageau. I'm feeling an invitation to a camp if he's not drafted. But frankly, I don't see how he won't be.
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On Quebec side one guy who really stand out not only for his size but for his 2 sweet breakaway goal was Alexandre Grenier. He's a 19 years old late bloomer who was playing jr AAA earlier this season. He's 6"5 and has great hands, good stickhandler too. Remind me of a Eric Daze kind of player. Skating is ok, need some work but its not that bad for a 6"5 player. I will totally draft this kid in the late round in the upcoming draft. Im 100% sure one team will, he's having terrific playoff + he's got great size wich every scouts love. He's my sleeper pick.
I've seen the same thing he is really impressive, he is obviously a long term project, he will need time in the AHL alot IMO, getting a better skating, he also seem like a hard worker.
ufa signing ? you've got any name in mind ? more ncaa or chl ?
Nah forget it....I was mixing Pageau with Vachon, thinking we'd be signing Vachon soon but mentioned Pageau's name. Yet, not even sure if Vachon is still in the radar.
Philip Danault....this is the guy I still believe he's not a 1st rounder....but will absolutely hate to see him go in the 2nd. And my gut feeling tells me that this guy is ABSOLUTELY going to Boston which will make me hate it even more. I see Boston having the 39th pick and I see Danault's name right up there. Almost for that reason, and on top of the fact that I like the guy very much, I see him making my top 5 list for our 1st round pick. Again, I know, it seems too soon....but it's how much I like the guy. I know, it doesn't always pay to like a guy A LOT....I was (though still am) a pick C-O Roussel fan and had him in my top 5 pick not so long ago. Though I'm suspecting a big conditioning problem as far as Roussel is concerned but it can't be an excuse.
But Danault? There's something in this kid that makes me sure he'll be an NHL'er and not only that but he'll reach the league in no time. Now...the role needs to be defined. Could be a "De Luxe" 3rd liner and I know, we might have enough of those....but what if he blossoms in a top 6 role? With the grit and desire he has?
Though, not that it's an easy prediction, but with the Berger signing, something tells me we'll end up with one of Lession-Jenner-Jensen....who are pretty good prospects themselves, Danault brings something neither of those guys bringing at this time. Immensely driven, grit, determination and the guy just never stops. Anyway, we'll see, tons of time to go...
Pierre Gauthier and his Q scout Serge Boivert were in Drumondville tonight watching the Drumondville/Gatineau game
notable prospects
-Sean Couturier (somehow dropping in the ranking could PG make a move to move up ??)
-Andrej Palat (didnt get pick last 2 draft but has been terrific this year with the volts)
-Jean-Gabriel Pageau (sparplug could be a gallagher/dumont type of pick but much better skater)
-Mathieu Gagnon (underated d-men, very impressive in the first roun again Rimouski)
Weird I thought I saw Pierre Gauthier on TV in Toronto at the Habs game
David Fischer had a huge upside. He was exactly a boom or bust kind of pick. The thing is, he busted. So if you are not willing to accept the risk of having another bust, then with a late first rounder, you probably should aim someone with a lower ceiling but a higher chance of reaching it.
If you don't mind drafting a Jessiman or a Sanguinetti to get a Del Zotto or a Kreider a few years later, then go with the boom or bust strategy.
hey pc_md! long time no see! hope you're doing good! always nice to ready you
Though, not that it's an easy prediction, but with the Berger signing, something tells me we'll end up with one of Lession-Jenner-Jensen....who are pretty good prospects themselves, Danault brings something neither of those guys bringing at this time. Immensely driven, grit, determination and the guy just never stops. Anyway, we'll see, tons of time to go...
So we are picking 17th. Funny, because I personally see a bit of a separation between the 17th and 18th player on my list. At this point, I'm hoping for one of the following players (in order):
1. Nicklas Jensen
2. Nathan Beaulieu
3. Matt Puempel
4. Boone Jenner
5. Rocco Grimaldi
6. Mark Scheifele
7. Mark McNeill
We'll see how the U18 tournament and the reminder of the CHL playoffs change that, but at this point I'd be ecstatic to get one of these 7 prospects.
EDIT: Maybe I should have kept that to myself before the Habs board Mock Draft.
So we are picking 17th. Funny, because I personally see a bit of a separation between the 17th and 18th player on my list. At this point, I'm hoping for one of the following players (in order):
1. Nicklas Jensen
2. Nathan Beaulieu
3. Matt Puempel
4. Boone Jenner
5. Rocco Grimaldi
6. Mark Scheifele
7. Mark McNeill
We'll see how the U18 tournament and the reminder of the CHL playoffs change that, but at this point I'd be ecstatic to get one of these 7 prospects.
EDIT: Maybe I should have kept that to myself before the Habs board Mock Draft.
You have Frimaldi ahead of McNeil for Habs need ? or BPA ?
To be honest, I woulnt really want the Habs to pic him. I really like McNeil upside ... Looks like he's adjusting pretty well to tougher competition
You have Frimaldi ahead of McNeil for Habs need ? or BPA ?
To be honest, I woulnt really want the Habs to pic him. I really like McNeil upside ... Looks like he's adjusting pretty well to tougher competition
I'm not a fan of drafting for need. Get assets through the draft and fill needs through free agency or trades.
Philip Danault....this is the guy I still believe he's not a 1st rounder....but will absolutely hate to see him go in the 2nd. And my gut feeling tells me that this guy is ABSOLUTELY going to Boston which will make me hate it even more. I see Boston having the 39th pick and I see Danault's name right up there. Almost for that reason, and on top of the fact that I like the guy very much, I see him making my top 5 list for our 1st round pick. Again, I know, it seems too soon....but it's how much I like the guy. I know, it doesn't always pay to like a guy A LOT....I was (though still am) a pick C-O Roussel fan and had him in my top 5 pick not so long ago. Though I'm suspecting a big conditioning problem as far as Roussel is concerned but it can't be an excuse.
But Danault? There's something in this kid that makes me sure he'll be an NHL'er and not only that but he'll reach the league in no time. Now...the role needs to be defined. Could be a "De Luxe" 3rd liner and I know, we might have enough of those....but what if he blossoms in a top 6 role? With the grit and desire he has?
Though, not that it's an easy prediction, but with the Berger signing, something tells me we'll end up with one of Lession-Jenner-Jensen....who are pretty good prospects themselves, Danault brings something neither of those guys bringing at this time. Immensely driven, grit, determination and the guy just never stops. Anyway, we'll see, tons of time to go...
Isn't he alot like Bournival last season ? because he only has gone in the third round. Are you seeing something more in Danault ?
David Fischer had a huge upside. He was exactly a boom or bust kind of pick. The thing is, he busted. So if you are not willing to accept the risk of having another bust, then with a late first rounder, you probably should aim someone with a lower ceiling but a higher chance of reaching it.
If you don't mind drafting a Jessiman or a Sanguinetti to get a Del Zotto or a Kreider a few years later, then go with the boom or bust strategy.
I agree 100%...people want the "swing for the fences" upside on our 1st rounder but don't want the downside of a Fischer...well you can't draft a potential 1st liner at #18-20 without the risk of a bust.
I suck at comparisons....it's actually pretty tough. I envision him as a complete and REAL 2-way player who I've seen creating something on almost every freakin shift I've seen. He hits, he competes, skates hard, he's not the biggest and is often on the right end of a 1 on 1 battle with a guy much bigger than him. To me, he could be your perfect 3rd liner, then in the 1st round, you'd like to have more than that, well he might be potentially a top 6 depending on how his offensive game evolves...So if you want to relate to someboyd you know...a more offensive, creative, and faster version of Ryan White. My take on White is that he would have gone earlier but some were totally off because of how bad his skating was at the time. Well you don't have that with Danault. The only 2 flaws is offensive potential, and he's not the biggest as well. I'm just so sure he'll play in this NHL....but clearly this is NOT enough to deserve a 1st round selection....but again....with no 2nd round, depending who's gone.....I'd seriously think about it. But I guess I'm also driven by what I said about being sure the Bruins would make them one of their own...
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Isn't he alot like Bournival last season ? because he only has gone in the third round. Are you seeing something more in Danault ?
I see him the way I saw Dalton Smith who went 34th. Now...Smith sucked all year this year surprisingly enough for me....so I'll say a SUCCESFUL, obviously less heavy Dalton Smith. The only, though it could be a big one, question marks is how he'll translate his offensive game. But somehow I found that his hockey IQ improved as he progressed which for me is a great sign. I think that for Bournival, it was always the concern....the lack of potential offensively in higher leagues.
Well that list confirms I was right at loving Beaulieu...but before Couturier???? Can't wait to hear Stéphane Leroux on this. Was clear enough that I prefered Beaulieu over Ouellet...but 5th vs 60th?
I suck at comparisons....it's actually pretty tough. I envision him as a complete and REAL 2-way player who I've seen creating something on almost every freakin shift I've seen. He hits, he competes, skates hard, he's not the biggest and is often on the right end of a 1 on 1 battle with a guy much bigger than him. To me, he could be your perfect 3rd liner, then in the 1st round, you'd like to have more than that, well he might be potentially a top 6 depending on how his offensive game evolves...So if you want to relate to someboyd you know...a more offensive, creative, and faster version of Ryan White. My take on White is that he would have gone earlier but some were totally off because of how bad his skating was at the time. Well you don't have that with Danault. The only 2 flaws is offensive potential, and he's not the biggest as well. I'm just so sure he'll play in this NHL....but clearly this is NOT enough to deserve a 1st round selection....but again....with no 2nd round, depending who's gone.....I'd seriously think about it. But I guess I'm also driven by what I said about being sure the Bruins would make them one of their own...
I see him the way I saw Dalton Smith who went 34th. Now...Smith sucked all year this year surprisingly enough for me....so I'll say a SUCCESFUL, obviously less heavy Dalton Smith. The only, though it could be a big one, question marks is how he'll translate his offensive game. But somehow I found that his hockey IQ improved as he progressed which for me is a great sign. I think that for Bournival, it was always the concern....the lack of potential offensively in higher leagues.
So If I understand correctly you think Danault seem to have more untapped offensive potential than Bournival had last season, which is nice, because other than this, correct me if I'm wrong, but they are similar players in term of playing style and upside. Is Danault physically strong and developped ? because if he is already winning alot of battles and he got still room to growth on that aspect this could be interesting.
It could be a nice pick since we will pick at 30th
Edit : I'm just seeing that he seem to have nice offensive in the playoff and the fact that he only is 170 lbs seem to answer my questions well he sure look good has a nice potential pick for the Habs. Imagine what he will be able to do in battles if he get to 6'1 205 lbs.
This list with all those Sea Dogs players is BS. I'm not talking about Huberdeau, Beaulieu and Jurco, but their fourth line is ranked between the 3rd-4th round and they combined for a total of 27 points this season...
And going and going and going....
