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04-11-2011, 07:40 PM
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I think he will be a 3rd line player @ best.

I wasn't wowed in the NCAA finals...he really wasn't noticeable.
Missed the semi. Saw only the final. He did some good things early, but yeah I'm with you on this. I expected a bit more from the teams most "dynamic offensive player." A paraphrase to Barry Melrose there.

The guy hates on the Rangers every single chance he gets and he kept repeating how Hagelin needed to step up.

Which he was right about.

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I like my 3rd and 4th liners to be good hitters.

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Sjostroms WHL numbers:
Total WHL 121 53 74 127

PPG players in the WHL which, imho, is better than the NCAA. Granted I'm not sure how often you guys have see him play, ive seen like 4 or 5 games of him play, so not the largest sample size, but i just dont see what everyone else is in love with. He's a nice prospect, doesn't blow me away.

Cally was a 50 goal scorer in the O...so it's not like he was devoid of offensive ability. But to be fair, I too only saw him as a 3rd liner.

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04-11-2011, 10:55 PM
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Sjostroms WHL numbers:
Total WHL 121 53 74 127

PPG players in the WHL which, imho, is better than the NCAA.

Why is it better? He's playing against 16-19 year olds.... I'd say having a set of wheels would help your game more at that age group than NCAA where most players are almost fully physically developed and in the 18-23 age group. Grachev was dominant in the OHL with his size and speed... AHL with older, more physically developed competition, not so much. I'm way more impressed with Hagelin being a PPG player at the NCAA level than Sjostrom doing so at the WHL level...

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which i would take in a heartbeat, but what do you do with Horak and Bourque because they are projecting to be the same type of player as Carl.
According to who, exactly?

Hagelin is a MUCH smarter and more well-rounded player away from the puck than either of those guys. That isn't meant as a put down to them, but rather a compliment to the excellent fundamentals that Hagelin possesses.

Bourque and Horak are not going to make an impact in the NHL as defensive-minded forwards, IMO. Either they're going to provide offense or they're not going to be playing in the NHL.

Hagelin can easily spend a career being a tenacious penalty killer and a tremendous shut down defensive forward. He's got the Swedish insistence on strong fundamentals fused with a gritty NCAA period of development. It's a very nice combo. Like a Dahlen or an Erixon or an Axelsson with better wheels and a bit more physicality.

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Hagelin can easily spend a career being a tenacious penalty killer and a tremendous shut down defensive forward. He's got the Swedish insistence on strong fundamentals fused with a gritty NCAA period of development. It's a very nice combo. Like a Dahlen or an Erixon or an Axelsson with better wheels and a bit more physicality.
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Nice move!!! Happy for the club and him. Im curious how his play will look in the AHL.

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Why is it better? He's playing against 16-19 year olds.... I'd say having a set of wheels would help your game more at that age group than NCAA where most players are almost fully physically developed and in the 18-23 age group. Grachev was dominant in the OHL with his size and speed... AHL with older, more physically developed competition, not so much. I'm way more impressed with Hagelin being a PPG player at the NCAA level than Sjostrom doing so at the WHL level...
but its not like Hagelin is a 16-19 year old playing against 18-23 year old. the guy is 22, turning 23 in 4 months. I think Sjostrom is an effective player, not sure why thats downright insulting to ppl. i just dont see the major upside. *shrugs* maybe im wrong, maybe im right, i guess time will tell. just not getting super excited about what i see to be a 4th line penalty killer.

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Hope they develop.

I think Bourque has a similar ceiling to Callahan. Smaller, gritty player with great hands in juniors. He has injury concerns as of right now.

Horak is intriguing. He is a good size at 6'1 but he NEEDS to get stronger and add weight. He has good hands and his defensive game has gotten better. I think he is at least 2 years away if he ever makes it.

Horak is a center, so he and Hagelin won't be battling against each other most likely.

Bourque and Hagelin do play the same position but for me, Hagelin is much more suited for a lower-line, while Bourque, due to his size, is much more suited for a top-6 role if he ever puts it together.

Unfortunately for both Bourque and Hagelin, the Rangers have a glut of left-wingers moving forward:

Dubinsky
Wolski
Prust
Kreider
Grachev

Hagelin
Bourque
Werek(can play center as well, good on face-offs)


That is without any signings....
Dubs and Grach could possibly move to Center (more likely Dubs). Prust could move to RW I think. Wolski might not be here or may be a scratch. Werek can do C too so there's room. if the guys are good enough they'll get their spot. The three prospects (Kreider too actually) may need this coming year to develop anyway and by that time who knows what the roster looks like. I think it's b/t Grachev and Hagelin who makes it next.

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Why is it better? He's playing against 16-19 year olds.... I'd say having a set of wheels would help your game more at that age group than NCAA where most players are almost fully physically developed and in the 18-23 age group. Grachev was dominant in the OHL with his size and speed... AHL with older, more physically developed competition, not so much. I'm way more impressed with Hagelin being a PPG player at the NCAA level than Sjostrom doing so at the WHL level...
Agreed.

I'd take Michigan over any CHL team.

Bigger, stronger and more fundamentally sound players/system.

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Sjostroms WHL numbers:
Total WHL 121 53 74 127

PPG players in the WHL which, imho, is better than the NCAA. Granted I'm not sure how often you guys have see him play, ive seen like 4 or 5 games of him play, so not the largest sample size, but i just dont see what everyone else is in love with. He's a nice prospect, doesn't blow me away.

Cally was a 50 goal scorer in the O...so it's not like he was devoid of offensive ability. But to be fair, I too only saw him as a 3rd liner.
It's much more difficult to score in the NCAA, and it is a much more difficult league. The WHL mimics an NHL schedule and game much more then the NCAA, and has less of a focus on academics, but it isn't nearly as difficult to score.

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but its not like Hagelin is a 16-19 year old playing against 18-23 year old. the guy is 22, turning 23 in 4 months. I think Sjostrom is an effective player, not sure why thats downright insulting to ppl. i just dont see the major upside. *shrugs* maybe im wrong, maybe im right, i guess time will tell. just not getting super excited about what i see to be a 4th line penalty killer.
Hagelin was a PPG player for the last 2 seasons as an adult, playing against adults at the NCAA level... I'm not impressed by Sjostrom putting up points in the CHL relying on his speed and being faster than most of his teenage competition.... Size and/or speed can give you a big advantage in the CHL when you're up against players who maybe aren't as physically developed as they will be as adults....

Sjostrom is nothing but a PK specialist.... His defensive play in the d zone is nothing to write home about... His back-checking is good but that's about all I noticed watching him play. He doesn't have good hands, playmaking ability with the puck, or a nose for the net. He's capable of cycling with the puck but not generating much off the cycle....

Turning into a Sjostrom is the worst case scenario for Hagelin IMHO. He's already demonstrated greater offensive awareness playing against adults than we've ever seen from Sjostrom playing at the Pro level....

All the media coming out of Detroit indicates that Red Berenson groomed/molded Hagelin into a complete/2-way player during his 4 years at Michigan... He should be able to contribute on both ends of the ice if all goes well...


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It's too bad top CHL and NCAA schools don't get a chance to play each other.

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Anyone else think that Hagelin is going to have extra motivation & drive to earn a spot on our opening day roster, being is that we're opening the season in Sweden where he could play his first Pro game before his friends & family in his native country?

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It's too bad top CHL and NCAA schools don't get a chance to play each other.
Closest we get is the USA u-18 teams playing NCAA schools, and colleges like Toronto and Carleton

CHL teams have more top end draft picks, but NCAA teams have kids 23, 24 years old. Would be fun to watch. Certainly the NCAA vs Canadian College teams are usually no competition.

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i just don't see it. but, this is one of those cases i pray that I am wrong in

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Hagelin has played well in his 2 games in the AHL

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Excited to see Hagelin tonight, who got a pretty reg. shift in his debut last night. He nearly won the game for the Whale in overtime.
https://twitter.com/#!/brianring/sta...70762767917057

Chad Kolarik was a senior at Michigan when Hagelin was a freshman. Kolarik has helped Hagelin with the adjustment to pro hockey. They roomed on the road in the first 2 games.

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Anyone else think that Hagelin is going to have extra motivation & drive to earn a spot on our opening day roster, being is that we're opening the season in Sweden where he could play his first Pro game before his friends & family in his native country?
Interesting point. I'm hoping that he pulls a Stepan and shows he is ready for NHL play, although it would probably be best if he got 20 or so games in the AHL.

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Kid looks good so far in the AHL. You can see the extra jump he has over other players already.

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Kid looks good so far in the AHL. You can see the extra jump he has over other players already.
nice to see he has a bud in Kolarik. I really think Hagelin can make the team next yr in a Fedotenko role

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Yeah hopefully the Whale can stay alive long enough to get Kolarik and Del Zotto back. Then with a guy like Hagelin this team could be really dangerous.

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Yes please.
oh yeah, I remember when Rob DiMaio, Tim Taylor, and PJ Axelsson made one of the leagues top defensive lines for Boston. Probably the reason why we traded Knuble for DiMaio (Taylor was on the team then). I hate it when our GMs live in the past. What a dumb trade. A young player with power forward size and one hell of a shot for an old career 3rd/4th liner UFA to be at the tail end of his career.

anyways, I would like to see Hagelin do better than Axelsson who had a sound defensive game and great speed but put up 3rd/4th line numbers his entire career. I'm hoping for more of a Jere Lehtinen than Axelsson.

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I bet either Hagelin or Weise makes it next year as one of our muckers. Maybe both, depending on their preseason performance, whether Feds and Prospal are resigned, and whether Thomas and Zuccarello make it.

I would put the odds of Hagelin making it at some point next season at better than 50-50.

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I bet either Hagelin or Weise makes it next year as one of our muckers. Maybe both, depending on their preseason performance, whether Feds and Prospal are resigned, and whether Thomas and Zuccarello make it.

I would put the odds of Hagelin making it at some point next season at better than 50-50.
Zuccarello-Bourque-Thomas = Hobbit Line, or The Fellowship, or Bag End Line

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