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04-12-2011, 10:21 AM
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Werek/Horak - No ATO

Was just wondering why Werek and Horak haven't been brought into Hartford.

Prospect Park made reference to it today and I am concerned about Werek.

I like his size and skill combo, I hope they are not down on him.

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Was just wondering why Werek and Horak haven't been brought into Hartford.

Prospect Park made reference to it today and I am concerned about Werek.

I like his size and skill combo, I hope they are not down on him.
I wonder if Werek's injury earlier in the season has the Rangers wanting him to take it a bit easy after the season?

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I wonder if Werek's injury earlier in the season has the Rangers wanting him to take it a bit easy after the season?
Good point, i hope that is it and they are not down on him...he did get suspended at the end of the regular season, maybe that pissed some of the brass off.

What about Horak, seems odd that he isn't getting a look.

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to be honest I wonder if they're all that high on Werek.

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04-12-2011, 10:33 AM
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I doubt they just drop a 2nd round pick... I mean, they did with Lafleur, but it was a little different.

I had read, I think on hockeysfuture that Werek was a player that they actually thought would be NHL ready very quickly for a 4th line role.

The Conneticut team is a little full right now,even if it is with some middle aged scrubs. Having enough trouble finding playing time for Yogan is it is.

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to be honest I wonder if they're all that high on Werek.
Maybe, but they can't seriously spend a SPC on a player like tommy grant and then just drop a far more promising player and a 2nd round pick in werek.

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Werek simply hasn't improved all that much since he was drafted. I'm sure he'll play in the NHL though.

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They have all summer to sign them.

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I doubt they'll sign either one to an ATO before they sign their ELC. Maybe they are negotiating and have been unable to agree. Lack of a contract doesn't mean lack of trying to work out a contract.

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I doubt they just drop a 2nd round pick... I mean, they did with Lafleur, but it was a little different.

I had read, I think on hockeysfuture that Werek was a player that they actually thought would be NHL ready very quickly for a 4th line role.

The Conneticut team is a little full right now,even if it is with some middle aged scrubs. Having enough trouble finding playing time for Yogan is it is.
I think the CT Whale are at a point, where there is going to be a significant roster turnover. Guys like Dupont, DiDiomete, Soryal, Dowzak, McCue, Bickel, etc are all at risk of losing a spot.

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I wonder if Werek's injury earlier in the season has the Rangers wanting him to take it a bit easy after the season?
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The Conneticut team is a little full right now,even if it is with some middle aged scrubs. Having enough trouble finding playing time for Yogan is it is.
These seem like the two most likely reasons to me.

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I wasn't all that impressed with Horak at the WJC. I wonder if some seasoning in Europe is an option with either of them first or signing them with CT rather than NY.

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I think the CT Whale are at a point, where there is going to be a significant roster turnover. Guys like Dupont, DiDiomete, Soryal, Dowzak, McCue, Bickel, etc are all at risk of losing a spot.
Had so much hope for Dowzak...oh well.

I think they like Bickel..he has done well for the Pack since coming over.

Dupont should have been traded for anything if they are just going to let him walk away.

Soryal might still have a roll in Hartford.

DiDiomete has Avery like attributes but might have played himself off the roster.

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Dowzak was a terrible prospect and it still angers me that we even wasted a contract spot on him. Shocking that he hasn't been let go yet, really.

I think they might keep Dupont for leadership in CT.

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I doubt they'll sign either one to an ATO before they sign their ELC. Maybe they are negotiating and have been unable to agree. Lack of a contract doesn't mean lack of trying to work out a contract.
Well said.

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Dowzak was a terrible prospect and it still angers me that we even wasted a contract spot on him. Shocking that he hasn't been let go yet, really.

I think they might keep Dupont for leadership in CT.
I often agree with you but not here. The guy seems on paper to have all the physical skills --- hard shot, clear the crease, endurance, etc., -- other than skating to be a contributor. Not another McIlrath, but certainly a guy who could help out Prust with fights when necessary.

I agree in a vacuum, maybe too much of a gamble. But as a 6th or 7th D, clearing the crease, playing with a speedier MDZ/Gilroy or next year Pashin, this stay at home type was worth the risk. Hope he re-signs for minimum, finds skating legs, and makes it.

First Ivan Baranka, now this....

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I'll probably get flamed for this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers weren't high on Werek. He missed considerable time with an injury, and he was suspended for 5 games. There's no way he was tired. It's very possible that the Whale had too many men as it was.

But his numbers haven't improved, at all. In the 2 Kingston- Oshawa playoff games they lost, he threw temper tantrums, complained to the ref every time he got a penalty, and knocked a case of sticks over on the bench after he took a hard hit. Call it intensity, call it whatever, the Rangers may not be happy with that stuff.

No idea about Horak, definitely had a weak WJC, but his team was horrible. He piled on the assists this season, but he played with Howse, who is a major WHL sniper.

We'll see, but there is absolutely no reason Yogan gets an ATO and Werek/Horak don't unless they're injured.

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I often agree with you but not here. The guy seems on paper to have all the physical skills --- hard shot, clear the crease, endurance, etc., -- other than skating to be a contributor. Not another McIlrath, but certainly a guy who could help out Prust with fights when necessary.

I agree in a vacuum, maybe too much of a gamble. But as a 6th or 7th D, clearing the crease, playing with a speedier MDZ/Gilroy or next year Pashin, this stay at home type was worth the risk. Hope he re-signs for minimum, finds skating legs, and makes it.

First Ivan Baranka, now this....
Watching him in juniors, he had none of that. It's why we were one of the only teams to offer him a contract and he went from being a potential 2nd round pick in his draft to going undrafted. He was that bad, dude.

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I often agree with you but not here. The guy seems on paper to have all the physical skills --- hard shot, clear the crease, endurance, etc., -- other than skating to be a contributor. Not another McIlrath, but certainly a guy who could help out Prust with fights when necessary.

I agree in a vacuum, maybe too much of a gamble. But as a 6th or 7th D, clearing the crease, playing with a speedier MDZ/Gilroy or next year Pashin, this stay at home type was worth the risk. Hope he re-signs for minimum, finds skating legs, and makes it.

First Ivan Baranka, now this....
This is quite a few times now that I've seen you advocate for Tysen Dowzak. I get that he has nice physical specs, but that's about it. He's slow, he has no offense to speak of, and he's not good positionally. He's a decent defender at the CHL level.

Can you find me a guy that spent two seasons in the CHL, and went on to have a career in the NHL? No? Let's limit it to the past 20 years then. Still no? Wait, there are none? Yep. The CHL is a hockey graveyard. It's where professional prospects' careers go to die. I cannot be any more clear in stating that Tysen Dowzak has no NHL potential. Zip, zero, zilch. We won't renew his contract, and no one else will pick him up. He'll be lucky to have an ECHL career at this point.

The kid sucks. He was once thought of as a decent prospect, years ago. He wasn't drafted for a reason. We took a flier on his stature, and soon found out he sucked ass. So we banished him to the CHL, where he'll play out his professional career.

I've played beer league with guys like Dowzak. Being huge does not an NHL player make.

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For those who aren't familiar, the CHL is the NA equivalent of "A" hockey. AHL being AAA and the ECHL being AA

The list of players who have had a full season in the ECHL making it is short enough. I could have easily played in the CHL if I couldn't have made more money elsewhere. It is a very poor league. No disrespect to anyone in it, it just isnt an NHL tributary league.

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u know...ive never even heard of the CHL before today...when ppl say CHL, i always assume they are talking about OHL+WHL+QMJHL

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u know...ive never even heard of the CHL before today...when ppl say CHL, i always assume they are talking about OHL+WHL+QMJHL
Heheh yeah, the Central Hockey League. It has teams like the Bossier-Shreveport Mudbugs, Bloomington PrairieThunder, and my favorite, the Odessa Jackalopes.

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Werek was leading NYRs prospects in scoring before he got hurt, first his knee and then his wrist. Maybe, like Sauer, the kid is banged up and the organization thinks he needs to heal. To say this kid hasn't progressed is a bit out there. I doubt we just dump him, it just makes no sense. Maybe the organization has a plan. Clark has made few mistakes and I don't view Werek as a mistake. Things will get done. I think werek displayed frustration more than anything else. His whole season was derailed by injuries. I think this is much ado about nothing.

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Werek was leading NYRs prospects in scoring before he got hurt, first his knee and then his wrist. Maybe, like Sauer, the kid is banged up and the organization thinks he needs to heal. To say this kid hasn't progressed is a bit out there. I doubt we just dump him, it just makes no sense. Maybe the organization has a plan. Clark has made few mistakes and I don't view Werek as a mistake. Things will get done. I think werek displayed frustration more than anything else. His whole season was derailed by injuries. I think this is much ado about nothing.
There was never a point where Werek was leading our prospects in scoring. I mean maybe the first week of the season or something, but not at any point after substantial games had been played. And his points/game pace was not much different before and after his injury (the big one, his wrist). He had a hot first month but that was it.

It really isn't a stretch to say that his game hasn't progressed--since at least offensively, it hasn't. It could certainly be due to injury, but the point remains. That's not to say he's a bad prospect or offensively inept; nothing like that. There just hasn't been a whole lot of offensive development.

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Was not impressed with Werek's dirty hit (jumping headshot) to end the regular season and I think he continued his questionable play in the Oshawa series....

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