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04-12-2011, 03:18 PM
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Why not get rid of MDZ

Since he really doesn't seem to be in the "plans".He lost his job to Giardi and McD. Why not get a viable asset for him. I'm sure there are some teams that could use him. NJ is using 5 forwards on their PP

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Because we have no other offensive defensemen in our entire organization, and there will be no high level ones available to us in this draft.

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Because we have no other offensive defensemen in our entire organization, and there will be no high level ones available to us in this draft.
Then why not use him for his abilities?

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Then why not use him?
Defensive liability, not seasoned enough, doesn't bring promised offense yet, etc.

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Because he is 20, and yes he is still in our plans. That is why he was sent down to Hartford to build his game, and not traded. He is a big part of this teams future.

People forget he is 20 years old and a defenseman.

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Well, partly because his hand is broken, but also because he was a liability defensively this year.

After dealing Sanguinetti and passing over Fowler, we pretty much put our PP QB eggs in his basket. I don't think he'll be dealt unless we acquire/sign a pp qb.

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Then why not use him for his abilities?
Because he's not an NHL player.

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Defensive liability, not seasoned enough, doesn't bring promised offense yet, etc.
PP specialist?

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so what? we have done just fine without him, we have a ton of talented two way defensive players ready for next season - V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. Our problem isnt defense its the lack of Top Line Forwards. Trading Del Zotto, Wolski, another player, and some picks for a top line winger to go along with Richards and Gaborik would enable us to seriously compete for the cup.

We can always try to sign Burns in 2012 to solve your offensive defensman issues.

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PP specialist?
Defensive liability, not seasoned enough, doesn't bring promised offense yet, etc.

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Because he's not an NHL player.
If he's not good enough for the Rangers in the NHL, like I said trade him and get a return. (for a player thats not good enough for the NHL)

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I remember watching the draft and Carlson was just sitting there for us to take and we went with Del Zotto instead...I was pissed.

I haven't given up on him yet but man, I would sure love Carlson back there with the rest of our studs.

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Well, partly because his hand is broken, but also because he was a liability defensively this year.

After dealing Sanguinetti and passing over Fowler, we pretty much put our PP QB eggs in his basket. I don't think he'll be dealt unless we acquire/sign a pp qb.
No1 is stating that weve given up on him, and i would love for him to turn out to be a great offensive defensman. But im pretty sure that RICHARDS solves that problem.

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so what? we have done just fine without him, we have a ton of talented two way defensive players ready for next season - V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. Our problem isnt defense its the lack of Top Line Forwards. Trading Del Zotto, Wolski, another player, and some picks for a top line winger to go along with Richards and Gaborik would enable us to seriously compete for the cup.

We can always try to sign Burns in 2012 to solve your offensive defensman issues.
I agree!!

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If he's not good enough for the Rangers in the NHL, like I said trade him and get a return. (for a player thats not good enough for the NHL)
There's this thing called prospect development, you should look it up.

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If he's not good enough for the Rangers in the NHL, like I said trade him and get a return. (for a player thats not good enough for the NHL)
Ever heard of development?

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so what? we have done just fine without him, we have a ton of talented two way defensive players ready for next season - V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. Our problem isnt defense its the lack of Top Line Forwards. Trading Del Zotto, Wolski, another player, and some picks for a top line winger to go along with Richards and Gaborik would enable us to seriously compete for the cup.

We can always try to sign Burns in 2012 to solve your offensive defensman issues.
dont mistake one problem with our only problem

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Well played, Steve.

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You keep him cause he's 20 and he put up 40 points in the NHL last season. His Value is also as low as it can get. Ever hear of a Sophmore slump? He had it.

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I also don't see how he is competing with Girardi. Different positions. McDonagh, McCabe, Valentenko, yes.

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Defense is hard enough in the NHL, then they're asking this kid to be a puck-carrying, offensive-minded defenseman and he's only 20yo.

I would not be too quick to give up on him. He has showed some promise previously, and though it is unlikely he will ever be "Leetch like" (who is?), he could well prove to be a major asset in a year or even 2.

With McD and Sauer stepping up as they have, and if we hang on to McCabe, that could allow the development time he needs. Give him ice time in small bites at first, and then turn him loose.

But....Torts needs to pick his line matchups wisely too.

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the kid is 20 years old.

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no1 is advocating trading him for nothing, but i think if we package together Wolski, Del Zotto, our 2 2nd rounders, and say EC or avery for salary cap issues for a top line winger along with Signing richards. We solve BOTH our problems and enable us to compete for the cup for years to come.

Trade Richards Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov Cally
Zucca Stepan Grachev
Prust Boyle Feds

If he lives up to his potential then great, im all for keeping him, but its not a necessity to have him when there are very good offensive defensman who are Free Agents next season like Burns and others.

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There's this thing called prospect development, you should look it up.
I don't have to look it up. I sort of know what it means with the amount of hockey I've played. Eight years in the minors in the seventies taught me that.

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As others have said, both now and in the previous months when some were advocating trading DZ for Richards, it's not like we are brimming with offensive defensemen in the system. And Del Zotto is still too young to write off.

There's no way you can come close to competing for a cup in this league without having an offensive defensemen who can pass the puck with ease. That's a major hole that cannot go unfulfilled. I truly believe our defense's transition game, as of right now, is one of the biggest weaknesses on this team. It's part of the reason why this team struggles so much on the power play and matches up poorly against trap teams. However, we've seen that Del Zotto's breakout passes can work effectively when he times it appropriately and uses his head. His potential as a defenseman with a great first pass is why they cannot give up on him so quickly.

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