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04-12-2011, 03:37 PM
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If we can't discuss Del Zotto without flaming the OP, it will be closed.

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04-12-2011, 03:37 PM
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so what? we have done just fine without him, we have a ton of talented two way defensive players ready for next season - V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. Our problem isnt defense its the lack of Top Line Forwards. Trading Del Zotto, Wolski, another player, and some picks for a top line winger to go along with Richards and Gaborik would enable us to seriously compete for the cup.

We can always try to sign Burns in 2012 to solve your offensive defensman issues.
Well, he is 20 years old, so giving up on him now seems a bit irrational to me.

Regarding the bold, the powerplay has not been fine. Also, signing Burns would not be a guarantee, and it's not like free agents come here and play well anyway.

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everyone is moveable...and if i could build a package around him to go get a high upside forward a-la Evander Kane or Benn...I would do it.

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Kid needs to develop. Not everyone can come out and dominate like a Crosby or Doughty. He is young, not a aged veteran. Give him time to learn the game and mature.

He had a great rookie season due to a hot scoring Gaborik. Also, once teams targeted him on the PP and learned to stop that home run pass to Gaborik, his point total dropped.

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the kid is 20 years old.
some people are on crack. The guy had a solid rookie season and had a sophmore slump

I am confident he can find his way and get back in the lineup full time next yr. How about we say we have 4 real good young top 4 Dmen and we could make it a great young 6 next yr with Del Zotto, Valentenko not to mention McIlrath and Kundratek who are likely a yr or two away

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Well, he is 20 years old, so giving up on him now seems a bit irrational to me.

Regarding the bold, the powerplay has not been fine. Also, signing Burns would not be a guarantee, and it's not like free agents come here and play well anyway.
I never said ive given up on him. I still have faith that he will return to form. But honestly if i was able to offer Del Zotto, Wolski, Avery, and our 2 2nds for a young top line player, id do it in a heart beat. It would allow us to sign Richards as well.

The powerplay wasnt really fine with him on it last year and his break out passes have been suspect at best lately. Of course signing Burns would not be a guarantee but we have TONS of very talented two way defenseman who are ready to compete for a spot. V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. The backend isnt really our problem, its lack of top line talent. Once we have that we really can trade for a good offensive dman.

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04-12-2011, 03:45 PM
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Well, he is 20 years old, so giving up on him now seems a bit irrational to me.

Regarding the bold, the powerplay has not been fine. Also, signing Burns would not be a guarantee, and it's not like free agents come here and play well anyway.
I never said ive given up on him. I still have faith that he will return to form. But honestly if i was able to offer Del Zotto, Wolski, Avery, and our 2 2nds for a young top line player, id do it in a heart beat. It would allow us to sign Richards as well.

The powerplay wasnt really fine with him on it last year and his break out passes have been suspect at best lately. Of course signing Burns would not be a guarantee but we have TONS of very talented two way defenseman who are ready to compete for a spot. V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. The backend isnt really our problem, its lack of top line talent. Once we have that we really can trade for a good offensive dman.

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04-12-2011, 03:52 PM
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some people are on crack. The guy had a solid rookie season and had a sophmore slump

I am confident he can find his way and get back in the lineup full time next yr. How about we say we have 4 real good young top 4 Dmen and we could make it a great young 6 next yr with Del Zotto, Valentenko not to mention McIlrath and Kundratek who are likely a yr or two away
Even if he needs another full year to develop in Hartford he will still be incredibly young. Is there anything wrong with not getting his game together until he is 21 or 22? Heck, a lot of dmen take a good bit longer than that. He may never make it...but to say we should get rid of him at age 20 is just absurd.

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04-12-2011, 03:53 PM
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everyone's giving up on MDZ and/or being way too harsh. Last year he showed not just promise on offense but that he could throw an occasional big hit and he can make really good outlet passes. His game reminds me a lot of Mike Green's.

It's far too soon to give up on him, especially since, like it's been said, no one in the organization on D really looks like they could QB a PP.

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I never said ive given up on him. I still have faith that he will return to form. But honestly if i was able to offer Del Zotto, Wolski, Avery, and our 2 2nds for a young top line player, id do it in a heart beat. It would allow us to sign Richards as well.
Quantity over quality doesn't work in trades. And no one wants Avery. Or Wolski for that matter.

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Fans sure give up on players quick. Geez...

The truth is we don't know what he is yet.

He's had 1 good year, 1 bad year.

Lets see what he does next year.

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04-12-2011, 04:04 PM
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I never said ive given up on him. I still have faith that he will return to form. But honestly if i was able to offer Del Zotto, Wolski, Avery, and our 2 2nds for a young top line player, id do it in a heart beat. It would allow us to sign Richards as well.

The powerplay wasnt really fine with him on it last year and his break out passes have been suspect at best lately. Of course signing Burns would not be a guarantee but we have TONS of very talented two way defenseman who are ready to compete for a spot. V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. The backend isnt really our problem, its lack of top line talent. Once we have that we really can trade for a good offensive dman.
If by a young top line player you mean a point per game player, then I would pull the trigger on that trade too, I just don't think that would be the return we get for that especially since Avery is on his way out (even if he was not he is negative value, nobody wants him).

Also, I personally do not believe any of the mentioned players will bring the offensive capabilities Del Zotto has from the blue line, maybe except for Burns and McIlrath. I only say McIlrath because I literally know nothing about his game. Even so, I would rather use what we have in the system instead of out-bid ourselves for free agents.

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Madness.

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Speaking of MDZ, anyone know when he's supposed to be back in HFD? I originally heard 4-6 weeks, it's been over 5 weeks now, any news?

Anyway, if MDZ progressed this year rather than regressed, this team would have been leaps and bounds better. I hope he makes a big jump next year and really starts to make progress toward what we hope he can be.

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There are so many impatient people around here. If a guy does't go straight from the draft to the all star game, he's a bust. How about this for an idea? The Rangers are in a position that they don't NEED MDZ to contribute right now. They've hit the jackpot on a number of blueliners this year. So now they can actually let MDZ play bigtime minutes in all situations in Hartford and he can become a well rounded NHL player instead of a one dimensional PP specialist. How many of you guys were ready to pully the plug on Sauer? He played three full seasons in HFD. Now what do we have? Oh, wait... a... good, solid... homegrown... NHL defenseman? Say it isn't so!!! See how that works? When a guy isn't pressured into playing a role he's not ready for, he can actually learn the game at a pace he's comfortable with, and when he gets the call to the big time, he's ready. Had Sauer/McDonagh not worked out so well, he would undoubtably still be up here, challenging for the league's worst +/-. But we have the luxury of letting him mature, but you guys want to run him out on a rail.

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DZ went straight from juniors to the NHL. He wasn't ready for that. And he'll probably start in CT next season depending on who we retain on D...

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Went from the next "Brian Leetch" to why not trade him.

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so what? we have done just fine without him,.
I don't think we have. I think we suck offensively. Offense cannot be carried out by forwards. 5>>3
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we have a ton of talented two way defensive players ready for next season - V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath.,.
Talented and ready is not the same. Look at NYR D Michael DelZotto for instance.
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Our problem isnt defense its the lack of Top Line Forwards.

It is good to have a Top Line Forward, but we have done just fine without him

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Trading Del Zotto, Wolski, another player, and some picks for a top line winger to go along with Richards and Gaborik would enable us to seriously compete for the cup.
No one would do it, unless you add more to your offer or MDZ would make ALLSTAR.

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04-12-2011, 04:53 PM
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Some of you guys have really short term memories, this kid was an animal his rookie season, I strongly believe its just a sophomore slump, I thought training with Roberts and Stamkos would really take him to the next level. I guess he needs to start training with defense men heres to MDZ season 3!

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Kid can't even drink a beer yet and we want to give up on him already.

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MDZ is very much in Rangers longterm plans. He's 20 years old. He's a defensman. Defensman take longer to develop.

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Trade speculation aside.... It's pretty concerning that MDZ entered training camp supposedly in excellent physical condition from having attended Gary Robert's fitness camp, and then produced this kind of season.... Leads me to believe his issues this season were not attributable to any sort of physical shortcomings, but mental ones.... I wonder where his head is at or how he's going to mentally prepare himself for next season and avoid having a repeat of what we saw this season....


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he really doesn't seem to be in the "plans".
hes very much in this teams future plan, no team wants to have 6 defensive defensemen with some inconsistent offensive imput
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He lost his job to Giardi and McD
he didnt loose his job to girardi, dan had a job before mdz was even drafted, and mcd played his way onto this team. mcd wasnt at all the only reason mdz was sent down.
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Why not get a viable asset for him. I'm sure there are some teams that could use him. NJ is using 5 forwards on their PP
because his value is as low as it ever has been? imo hes worth MUCH more developing in hartford than a second round pick of another bluechip prospect. itd be impossible to swap him with another prospect with as much talent as he has. and nj chooses to have 5 forwards on the pp because of kovi's amazing slapper and lack of a real pmd, which del zotto isnt at this point so nj wouldnt be an interested buyer. and theres no teams out there that could use him more than we can, we need him as much as anyone else would/does.

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Trade speculation aside.... It's pretty concerning that MDZ entered training camp supposedly in excellent physical condition from having attended Gary Robert's fitness camp, and then produced this kind of season.... Leads me to believe his issues this season were not attributable to any sort of physical shortcomings, but mental ones.... I wonder where his head is at or now he's going to mentally prepare himself for next season and avoid having a repeat of what we saw this season....
i agree with the concern here, i think its all mental with this guy. he has the skills and hes showed it i think he lost his focus, lets not forget hes what 19. i think(hope) playing out the season in hartford will have brought him back down to earth. hopefully he realizes he has to earn his time in NY and in the big show.

im cautiously optimistic he'll get his **** together well have a great PP tandem of richards and MDZ

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