Since he really doesn't seem to be in the "plans".He lost his job to Giardi and McD. Why not get a viable asset for him. I'm sure there are some teams that could use him. NJ is using 5 forwards on their PP
The arguments against getting rid of MDZ:
1) Selling when value is low
2) He's 20 with plenty of room to develop
3) He's among very few offensive minded defenseman in the system.
4) He scored 22 PP points in his rook campaign. A specific area the Rangers need to improve in and can do so from within.
The Arguments for getting rid of him:
1) Rangers defense has tightened up w/out him in the lineup
2) Others in the system have surpassed him on the depth chart so he may appear expendable
3) He might be the leverage needed to add a worthy player in a trade
I'm a DelZotto fan, but I am guilty of including him in some trade proposals. Most of them are probably pipe dreams anyway like the Evander Kane thread. If Kane was available and it cost MDZ and a 1st to get him, then I think it's a deal I pull the trigger on. But...Probably not a deal Atlanta would do. I guess my point is, I think MDZ could be made available but only if the return is significant. A package for Burns, a package for J. Stall, hey, even out West in a deal for Hodgson. But...none of the aforementioned are even on the block as far as i know so its probably a mute point anyway.
Just wanted to point out McI is not an offensive D man at all and it would be beyond a surprise if he QB'd a PP. He's got an absolute booming shot and a monster physique. he knows how to intimidate but is still learning a lot of finer points of positioning and when to make the hit. McI is far from ready. If he's with the team next year I'd eat a shoe. I think it's be more like two full years from now before he challenges. Could be wrong it might be after next season
I don't think he will grow into the player we want him to be, that being a PPQB. What's worrying me is not that he lacks defensive ability, it's the fact that he seems to have lost his offensive touch. I'm not sure I belive he'll find his way back. That doesn't mean that I think that we should trade him away for close to nothing. I'm just not that sure that he's all that...
Yeah, this team could really benefit from MDZ bringing his A-game... Even if he plays a 3rd pairing role but gets a lot of PP time....
Yeah and Vtank bringing that boom stick of his. I want to see it more so we can dump Bryan McGilroy.
Who's a defenseman who is a tad slower, stay at home kind of guy, blocks a ton of shots, and carries a heavy shot....kind of sounds like Gan Girardi...but this guy plays the left side instead.
There's no problem with MDZ maturing down in Hartford.
We all forget that even the might Mark Staal was sent back to his Jr club for a final. Mark Staal who is farm more physical developed and plays a better defensive game then MDZ.
MDZ, never got his last year in Jr's because he played so tremendously well in camp that year and in his first 10 games, he forced the Rangers, who have always been looking for the PPQB to keep him around. However, because of the rules of Jr players Hartford wasn't an option any more, that changed this year.
Del Zotto needed that extra development and he never got it. He's now getting it. Its not that hard, its not that bad, he's young and developing still. Lets see what he does at camp and next year.
I'd like to see him start on the 3rd line and start moving his way up from there.
Staal and MDZ could be a nice pairing.
Vtank and Girardi could be a killer shot blocking, PK, shutdown, warrior, machine. the gridironwall !!!! SCARY!!!! Henke could take a nap because NO SHOTS would get through...lol
at the trade deadline MDZ could've been moved for something decent, but thwta would you want to move him for now????
at the draft, you're not getting equal or even fair value for MDZ, unless you're taking a veteran + a mid round pick. early in the season no one's going to move for a prospect, and by the trade deadline, if he is showing serious flashes of growth, then he'll be on broadway…. if not he won't be worth much of a return either way at that point.
I rip on Del Zotto more than anyone on this board and I would even vote against this. I pick on him because I was frustrated with his output. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the potential to improve. He has plenty of that. Give him time.
Why trade him at this point? If they were gonna trade him, they would have at the draft last year when his value was at it's peak. They would have traded him and drafted Fowler. We are stuck with what we have now. You dont trade a player when they are at the lowest point in terms of value.
Unless we can trade him for a significant asset, we keep him. That can really be said for anyone though.
Anyone can be had for the right deal, doesn't mean we should be looking to trade them. As others have said, he's 20. Defensmen usually take longer to develop than offensive players as well. I really think he'll be a staple on this team for 10+ years once he gets his **** together.
so what? we have done just fine without him, we have a ton of talented two way defensive players ready for next season - V-Tank, Kundratek, Pashnin, and McIlrath. Our problem isnt defense its the lack of Top Line Forwards. Trading Del Zotto, Wolski, another player, and some picks for a top line winger to go along with Richards and Gaborik would enable us to seriously compete for the cup.
We can always try to sign Burns in 2012 to solve your offensive defensman issues.
Of these prospects who are solid (what do we really know about Kundratek at this point)I consider only Pashnin to be a real 2 way D.
Agree we should explore trading Del Zotto, but not give him away, and not coke for pepsi.
I strongly urge, absent a better option at F, consideration of some play for TB's premiere D Victor Hedman. Why do the Lightning consider it?
They don't unless there is enough profit, but I think some combination of assets can be made to achieve that.
The face of their franchise is Stamkos, and they need $$$ cap to re-sign him long term preferably. Stamkos + MDZ clicked well in the past, if memory serves.
NYR needs add a lot more, so we begin with a real defensive D in Girardi, which TBL finds useful, acceptable, and which is better for us because our replacement D prospects are more defensive oriented.
A throw in could MZA who is bonafide competition to be heir to Martin St. Louis, and could blossom under his tutelage. Again, a good fit for TB if they get him cheap as a throw in.
That's about 2/3s of the compensation necessary, IMO.
We would then need to give them acceptable compensation at F and maybe a G prospect.
Since we are holding out for Grachev and Werek, etc., we can live with the loss of Boyle, whom they will prefer anyway as a developed F, while we keep the 2 bodies that give us needed depth. Assuming they don't want Wolski, the other 20% or so is other prospects, picks, flipping of picks.
That's how, IMO, you get something for Del Zotto, while adding a real asset who can help on PP.