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04-12-2011, 05:17 PM
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Regarding RFAs

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and we were discussing the topic of signing RFAs in the off-season. The example we used was Stamkos, albeit him signing anywhere other than Tampa is highly unlikely to occur. I already knew the basic principles behind such a transaction, notably the fact that in order to obtain a player of his caliber through RFA signing the team would need to forfeit 4-5 future first round picks and that the team in which the player is currently playing for is to match the offer within a week.

Now here's my question, if some team offered Stamkos $100m+ contract wouldn't that force Tampa to match that (as if they wouldn't). So how would they be able if they didn't have the necessary cap space (i'm guessing through trading other assets); however, with Lecavalier and St. Louis under big contracts and other notable names how can they possibly do so? Technically if Tampa were to match that kind of offer they would completely lose their core and need to breakdown their team in order to compensate for Stamkos' new contract. Albeit, I know this is generally something that GMs wouldn't do... but, since this is a competitive sport what wrong is there in doing so?

I'm not here to say I'm for or against doing so, I started this thread purely out of curiosity and was wondering what other implications this subject may entail. Though, it'd be pretty hilarious to see it someone offer a crazy contract to mess another team up haha

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There is a limit to what Stamkos can get per year.
The max cap hit of a player is 20% of the overall cap. So if it rises to 62M next year, 12.4M, and there's no way he gets that.
So, if Stamkos gets a 100M deal, it's likely to be spread over 10y+.
But, let's say he does get that deal, TB will have 25M of free cap space, so technically, they could afford it.

Anyways, nobody will sign Stamkos to a 12M/y deal.

As for compensation for signing a player to an offer sheet, the most you can give is 4 first round picks.

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Tampa has way more cap space than we do, we'd never fit him under the cap. Even if we found someone to take Gomez, we couldn't afford to offer him anything that Tampa wouldn't match.

Tampa had like $9m in unused cap space this year.

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I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and we were discussing the topic of signing RFAs in the off-season. The example we used was Stamkos, albeit him signing anywhere other than Tampa is highly unlikely to occur. I already knew the basic principles behind such a transaction, notably the fact that in order to obtain a player of his caliber through RFA signing the team would need to forfeit 4-5 future first round picks and that the team in which the player is currently playing for is to match the offer within a week.

Now here's my question, if some team offered Stamkos $100m+ contract wouldn't that force Tampa to match that (as if they wouldn't). So how would they be able if they didn't have the necessary cap space (i'm guessing through trading other assets); however, with Lecavalier and St. Louis under big contracts and other notable names how can they possibly do so? Technically if Tampa were to match that kind of offer they would completely lose their core and need to breakdown their team in order to compensate for Stamkos' new contract. Albeit, I know this is generally something that GMs wouldn't do... but, since this is a competitive sport what wrong is there in doing so?

I'm not here to say I'm for or against doing so, I started this thread purely out of curiosity and was wondering what other implications this subject may entail. Though, it'd be pretty hilarious to see it someone offer a crazy contract to mess another team up haha
yes this strategy is possible

but dont forget he can play the game against you
in that case. I think that Tampa bay will refuse to match.
They take their 4 picks.
they wait till next season. They grab Price/Subban/Eller

youll have 35 millions with 5 players^^ (Camm,gionta,gomez,plekanec,stamkos)

they offer price 3 year 6 per
Subban 3 year 4 per
Eller 3 year 3 per

try to match that héhéhé

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Tampa has way more cap space than we do, we'd never fit him under the cap. Even if we found someone to take Gomez, we couldn't afford to offer him anything that Tampa wouldn't match.

Tampa had like $9m in unused cap space this year.
The Bolts have $22 million invested in Vinnie, St. Louis, Malone and Ohlund. So if Stamkos goes to 9-10 million you have 5 guys eating half your payroll for the next 4 years minimum. Not to mention the will need to re-sign Hedman next year, they only have 4 D under contract next year and have no goalies.

This team isn't made of money like the big boys higher up on the east coast....and Brian Burke who wants a Toronto boy, a young kid and has space may make a crazy offer like this.

Sure, the Bolts would match, but one of St. Louis or Vinnie would have to go, and we know Vinnie has not market and St. Louis the more valuable of the two as he is Stamkos's linemate.

The Bolts would be in a dilemma.

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and if a team was really interested in Stammer, a trade would be more likely than an offer sheet
and isnt parise a rfa also
man i would love one of the two.
Inc. Bob said in a tweet a while back that Habs will try and trade Gomez and sign Parise.
Imagine!
a line of Gio-Pleks-Parise (or something like that)
i can dream hahaa


(sorry my thoughts are so scattered, just noticed)

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Wasn't that basically what San Jose did to Chicago last summer?
SJS offered Hjalmarsson a $3.5M contract, which he signed, and Chicago then matched that contract, keeping Hjalmarsson and putting them further over the cap.

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