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04-13-2011, 10:09 AM
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Play it again, Leino: Finland native loves postseason pressure

Nice insight into Leino...would love to see his shoe collection.

I thought this was the most revealing part....hopefully "Leino's way" doesn't translate in the playoffs as it has during the reg season with turnovers. If he can repeat last year's success and his decisions under pressure pan out like last year great..otherwise I'm sure him and Lavy will be butting heads...

BTW love the Pitkanen tidbit about him being here 8 years and still not knowing how to order in English. Pitakenen is def a slow assimilator...at least culturally. Looks like he's assimilated in the NHL a lot better now.

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"Peter and I didn't start out very well together," Leino says. "It's not his fault. I don't blame him for that. But I can't play in that simple way that others can. I can't be that guy who just dumps the puck in, because I won't get anything done.

"I don't enjoy that. I won't get excited. Because that's not what I am."

And that's when Leino decided, after already wearing out his welcome under Mike Babcock in Detroit, that if he was going to fail, he was going to do it like the Sinatra song. "My way."

"I thought about [failing] a lot," he concedes. "But I said if I fail, I'll fail as myself and the player that I've developed and the player I've always been - not the player that tried to please somebody.

"Before, I tried to do things that made coaches happy. That's the Finn in me. Because I don't want to piss anyone off or give a bad impression. But that's not what I am - I decided I wasn't going to change for anyone else."

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...tml?page=1&c=y

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He seems to have trouble fitting the role coaches give him.

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Of late he seems to have trouble avoiding brutal turnovers.

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It does seem like that and his words are a bit disconcerting especially if a coach stresses team play over individual play. Obviously Leino is a bit of a loose canon. Talented players like Leino and Zherdev like to do things their own way and don't like to be stifled. All creative people are like that so there is a fine line in how you coach/teach people like this. You don't want to lose them. Lavy has a responsibility not to sour the guy but Leino also needs to temper his ways. It's not like he's earned the right to do it ALL his way like a Gretzky, Crosby etc. He may have the demeanor of a superstar as suggested by the article but he's not exactly there yet. Going to be interesting what he does in the playoffs. If he's a turnover machine and it costs us games..well he probably won't be resigned since him and Lavy are not exactly kindred spirits in their philosophies. One is more authoritarian/task master and the other more free wheeling...doesn't mix for too long.

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Of late he seems to have trouble avoiding brutal turnovers.
This.

This is what I can't stand about his game. The unnecessary dipsy doodle nonsense that leads to a turnover and a rush up the ice for the opposition.

He's got to get that under control. Especially now.

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Of late he seems to have trouble avoiding brutal turnovers.
Meltzer today brings up a good point...Leino can still play his game if he gets support as well. His boneheaded turnovers are not to be condoned but they can be mitigated if he gets some puck support. Last year didn't seem to be a problem..this year their line has been a little more lax defensively. The line is a puck possession line so they have to support each other and last year they had that chemistry and in the beginning of the year as well. They tailed off a bit but Briere and Hartnell in the last week picked up their games...if Leino picks up his and is a bit smarter it should bode well. We shall see...we'll need that line no doubt but Richards and Carter need to be better as well.

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Another issue: Too often in the second half of this season, Flyers would establish control early and then experience a drop in energy once they had the lead. In order for Peter Laviolette's system to be successful, the players need to keep their feet moving. When that doesn't happen, Philadelphia is extremely vulnerable to a team like Buffalo.

For an example, let's look at a play in the last game of the regular season. With the Flyers leading the Islanders 2-0 early in the game, they got the puck in deep in the New York zone. Ville Leino controlled the puck along the side boards. So far so good.

But once the Flyers had possession, everyone got stationary. Leino then took an extremely foolish risk, taking the puck back near the blueline in an apparent effort to find skating room or a passing lane to the other side of the ice. He lost the puck to the deadly Michael Grabner who used to blazing speed to go off on a clean breakaway and score.

On that play, Leino took all the heat for his bad turnover. But the other Flyers were also complicit in the momentum-turning goal because they stopped skating and were spectators. If Leino had made a safer play and if there was better support, nothing that followed would have happened.

Self-created messes these have cropped up repeatedly in the last couple months, and it is something the Flyers need to avoid in order to prevail against the seventh-seeded Sabres.

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Whether or not it's deliberate, I'm going to say kudos for the title being a Casablanca reference.

Never thought I'd see one around here other than making it myself.

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They just need (as a team) to be safer in the neutral zone and near the blue line. We've had too many turnovers in those areas... and those are the areas that lead to penalties against, and odd-man rushes.

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Whether or not it's deliberate, I'm going to say kudos for the title being a Casablanca reference.

Never thought I'd see one around here other than making it myself.
Casablanca. One of my favorite movies of all time. Second only to The Passion of The Christ imo.

I could watch it every day and never get tired of it.

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Casablanca. One of my favorite movies of all time. Second only to The Passion of The Christ imo.

I could watch it every day and never get tired of it.
I think we should hug. Or dock.

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I think we should hug. Or dock.
How about we just salute each other with a shot instead?

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How about we just salute each other with a shot instead?
I don't know, that sounds kind of gay.

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I don't know, that sounds kind of gay.
So us raising our glasses in a toast to each other is more gay-sounding than hugging?

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So us raising our glasses in a toast to each other is more gay-sounding than hugging?
Really thought you were gonna have "docking" in there over "hugging."

But, since that leaves the docking door open no, you're right, let's drink.

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Well in all fairness Philadelphia is famous for its ports, so the spirit of the city should be kept alive. Good work taking one for the team, gentlemen.

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I don't know, that sounds kind of gay.
You just went up a notch in my books, cause I spit out my drink reading this. That puts you at notch 1. LOL

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Casablanca. One of my favorite movies of all time. Second only to The Passion of The Christ imo.

I could watch it every day and never get tired of it.
This has to be a joke post.

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Hey Rick,

Salute.

Let's Go Flyers!


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On Leino, I think this is where Lavy is taking heat in the other thread. Coaches kill creativity and talent where they shouldn't. If he could simply let the creativity flow on the ice, ensure the players understand that they will not be benched for mistakes

Leino can still be creative in the zone and in open ice. He simply needs to ensure he doesn't make bad decisions. If he does, he knows it, The coach doesn't have to bench him for it. Lavy sees a bad pass and fires an extra two bullets into the dead horse with a "yelling at" and then a "benching". You can get much more with a glance and a recognition that the player knows they ****** up and then send him out for his next shift showing confidence.

I hate it when coaches try to snuff out talent. Let the players play. Let Hartnell Hit. Let Carcillo run. Let Richards destroy someone. Let Leino/Giroux make the odd high risk pass. Let em play.

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This has to be a joke post.
The list should be:
1. Trailer Park Boys
2. Casablanka

Clearly. Sorry, but that profile picture necessitates this response.

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This has to be a joke post.
Post? My whole thread seems to have been hijacked...umm let's see...classic movies, gay talk, alcohol...I'm waiting for somebody to talk about Barbara Streisand and their favorite show tune...

Edit: Maybe the part about Leino being a shoe fan started this....does sound kind of fruity

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On Leino, I think this is where Lavy is taking heat in the other thread. Coaches kill creativity and talent where they shouldn't. If he could simply let the creativity flow on the ice, ensure the players understand that they will not be benched for mistakes

Leino can still be creative in the zone and in open ice. He simply needs to ensure he doesn't make bad decisions. If he does, he knows it, The coach doesn't have to bench him for it. Lavy sees a bad pass and fires an extra two bullets into the dead horse with a "yelling at" and then a "benching". You can get much more with a glance and a recognition that the player knows they ****** up and then send him out for his next shift showing confidence.

I hate it when coaches try to snuff out talent. Let the players play. Let Hartnell Hit. Let Carcillo run. Let Richards destroy someone. Let Leino/Giroux make the odd high risk pass. Let em play.
Thank you Phillyfanatic! A hug, drink and ...well that is enough!

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This has to be a joke post.
No joke. The Passion is the most important film ever made bar none imo.

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The list should be:
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Clearly. Sorry, but that profile picture necessitates this response.
TPB > * > Casablanca

Seriously, thank you Canada for Trailer Park Boys.

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No joke. The Passion is the most important film ever made bar none imo.
Maybe in terms of gore content. The makeup artist/gore effects techs did a really good job. Other than that.. trash.

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TPB > * > Casablanca

Seriously, thank you Canada for Trailer Park Boys.



Maybe in terms of gore content. The makeup artist/gore effects techs did a really good job. Other than that.. trash.

I disagree with your assertion that TPB is infinitely greater than Casablanca and that The Passion is trash.

But you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.

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