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04-13-2011, 12:58 PM
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James Mirtle's top Defensive Dmen

"Using some of the figures from Gabe Desjardins' terrific Behind The Net site, I rank every defenceman who plays in defensive situations by the quality of players they face (QCMP) and how many goals against they are on the ice for at even strength and while shorthanded. It's certainly not a perfect method, but it does give us a decent idea of which defensive defencemen are doing a good job of keeping the puck out of their net against good players. "

Staal at 11, Girardi at 26, not a bad first pair

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1983801/

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Staal was first last year.

He is regressing!

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Carlson and Alzner ahead of Staal? Really?

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Not bad, but Staal was #1 in these rankings a year ago so it is a bit disappointing that he dropped 10 spots. I think he was a little more inconsistent this season than in past years so it isn't really all that surprising.

Dan Girardi did improve from last year, so kudos to him.

Meanwhile, the Weber and Suter pairing... I want it.

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Carlson and Alzner ahead of Staal? Really?
as he stated, its not a perfect system. From the explanation it's basically a Goals against rate stat with quality of competition factored in. Lots of team/goaltender/luck effects can still creep in.

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as he stated, its not a perfect system. From the explanation it's basically a Goals against rate stat with quality of competition factored in. Lots of team/goaltender/luck effects can still creep in.
Does it take into account TOI? From reading it, doesn't look like it. Can't really base much off of his formula alone.

Alzner and Carlson belong no where near above Staal at the moment. Among a few other names that are above him.

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Of course we all loved this ranking when it showed last year that Staal was #1...

I'd be interested in someone doing a really in depth analysis of how this works and what kind of things can skew results

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Carlson and Alzner ahead of Staal? Really?
Forget that, Bieksa and Ehrhoff. Those guys work the other side of the puck. I think even Vancouver fans have said how Edler bails out Ehrhoff defensively and Ballard isn't even on there...come on.

Hal GIll is a Pylon and doesn't belong anywhere near Girardi, no less in front of him.

This list is BS.

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These defensive metrics are retarded and always have been. They were retarded last year and they are retarded this year. Measuring defense as a stat is as poor as using GAA and +/- to measure a player. They were interesting for a few minutes, but once you get into them you realize how truly useless they actually are.

Defense relates just as much to the team game. ****, most things in hockey do. I hate the use of these metrics in a true team game where the overall team has so much more impact on individual plays than in a game like baseball (where most plays ARE individual based and metrics CAN be very useful).

It's a truly terrible way to measure anything, really. The ONE position where metrics might count is for goalies (IE metrics that take into account position of the shooter during the shot, etc. etc.).

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Does it take into account TOI? From reading it, doesn't look like it. Can't really base much off of his formula alone.

Alzner and Carlson belong no where near above Staal at the moment. Among a few other names that are above him.
I believe its per 60 mins of ice time

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Garrison & Weaver are 2 and 3

i propose that these stats are meaningless.

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A guy like Mike Weaver is a great penalty killer, but I wouldn't want him sniffing my shutdown pair...

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i take it as a "hey these guys are pretty good defensemen" list

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