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04-14-2011, 06:28 AM
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NHL ref, Kerry Fraseeeeer, said it should have been a 5 minute misconduct last night on TSN.
He also said it should have been a game which shows you exactly how Kerry Fraser is running his mouth for the camera.

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04-14-2011, 06:30 AM
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Low-sticking maybe, but certainly not high-sticking.

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04-14-2011, 06:31 AM
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It's ruled as a slash then.
Never said it wasn't.

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04-14-2011, 06:55 AM
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I really hope that the penalties are corrected tomorrow, tonight was a joke.. then again, so was missing three open nets by the Bolts
You say that as if the refs are obligated to call a certain amount of penalties in a game. That's not how the league is run, nor should it be. How about this scenario about Game 1; the Bolts were really undisciplined. Sean Bergenheim's penalty was pure frustration.

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Of course, there was no call by the ref's because it was against the Penguins on the opening game of the playoffs. We can't have that now...
Wow. To think that this is a real thought process by a rational person is simply absurd.

I guess the refs should also be crucified because when Kovalev was clearly tripped by Pavel Kubina right before the first goal, they knew he would soon get up and score. So that is why there was a non-call when Kovalev was tripped. Right? I mean, using that logic, it makes perfect sense.

To be frank, I find this referee-based excuse making to be embarrassing. It happens with every team. Wasn't Boudreau complaining about Downie and Stammer diving all of the time just a couple months ago? Unreal people...

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04-14-2011, 07:23 AM
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I think theres a lot more gray area in the high sticking calls that people here are letting on. I remember earlier this season a pen getting hit in the face with a high stick and the refs saw it but decided to call it no penalty, even after confering amongst themselves. They ruled that it was part of a follow through. So there are exceptions and when you have a players head almost parallel with the ice the whole "above the shoulders" part of the rule I would assume would be taken into context. Where St Louis was hit was in no way above where his shoulders would be if he were standing, it would be by his shins or knees.

So now they're saying it's a slash? That swing of the stick doesnt break a stick, it would never be considered a slash except because his face happens to be there. It was purely accidental, one only needs to actually look at it and also take the player delivering it into consideration.

I like many others had a knee jerk reaction at first that it was a missed call but when I reflect on it afterwards I realize they did get it right. I do believe the later high stick on downie is more likely a missed call but it's not the sexy missed double minor so people don't seem to care about it that much.

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04-14-2011, 07:28 AM
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It's hardly a slash. If the stick hits him literally anywhere else in his body he probably doesnt even feel it.

If you get hit in the teeth with a stick moving 2 mph it's going to hurt and potentially do damage.

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04-14-2011, 07:31 AM
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You are responsible for your stick. It can be an accident or on purpose, doesn't matter. You hit a guy in the face, that's a penalty.
This does not include elbows or shoulders though. Feel free to whack people in the head with those, as long as you say your sorry or didn't mean it.

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04-14-2011, 07:42 AM
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NHL ref, Kerry Fraseeeeer, said it should have been a 5 minute misconduct last night on TSN.
Kerry Fraser was a terrible official. Hated Mario Lemieux with a passion. Thank god he finally saw the light and retired.

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04-14-2011, 07:44 AM
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Is there any video of this alleged incident ?

Don't see anything on NHL.com or Youtube.....

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04-14-2011, 07:48 AM
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I really hope that the penalties are corrected tomorrow, tonight was a joke.. then again, so was missing three open nets by the Bolts
What penalties weren't called correctly? All the penalties that were given seemed right. There were a couple that were missed on both teams but that happens


That high stick is questionable. I looked at it again and St.Louis looks like he got hit when he was already going down when he got hit.

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04-14-2011, 07:48 AM
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Michalek was falling to the ice as well. A high stick no way. You gotta have control of your stick but not when the guy's face is a foot from the ice

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04-14-2011, 07:49 AM
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when a player accidently swings his stick in the air and catches someone in the face it's always called, so i don't see why it wouldn't apply if the player was on the ground. obviously you can't call it high sticking, but if an accidental high stick gets called they should call this type of play too. i don't know if it could be called slashing though, as it's called when a player intentionaly swings his stick at another player. interesting play, i guess there's nothing in the rules to cover it.

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04-14-2011, 07:55 AM
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There's no crying in playoff hockey...

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04-14-2011, 07:57 AM
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NHL ref, Kerry Fraseeeeer, said it should have been a 5 minute misconduct last night on TSN.

Well if Kerry Fraser said that...................

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04-14-2011, 08:07 AM
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Michalek was falling to the ice as well. A high stick no way. You gotta have control of your stick but not when the guy's face is a foot from the ice
he was holding his stick with 1 hand and it was swinging behind him. he had no control of it. and it popped marty in the mouth as he was falling to the ice

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04-14-2011, 08:10 AM
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Ive seen you post this twice. And no it hasnt. NHL Network said it should have been called. Another Ref said it should have been called.

Maybe its been "virtually unanimously called correct" by the local Pittsburgh news stations, but thats about it.

It should have been a penalty. You have to be in control of your stick. Its the players responsibility. It should have been a high stick or a slashing depending on which way they wanted to call it.

And frankly, if you think its a good non call, then I hope Downie puts every Penguin on their behind on Friday and two hand chops them in the face. See if you think its the right non call then.
Every show I've watched has said it should not have been called...including everyone on NHL network. There is absolutely no chance it should have been a high stick when St. Louis is falling down, on the ice, and everything is chaos. Good non call, unfortunate for Marty.

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04-14-2011, 08:12 AM
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That was not a high stick, refs made the right call. moving on.

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04-14-2011, 08:15 AM
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You are responsible for your stick. It can be an accident or on purpose, doesn't matter. You hit a guy in the face, that's a penalty.
That is not true in all circumstances.

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04-14-2011, 08:18 AM
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That is not true in all circumstances.
I'd be headbutting sticks in that case yeah

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There's no crying in playoff hockey...
There is ALWAYS crying in playoff hockey.

Anyway, probably a missed call (just because he is short doesn't mean you can hit him in the face) but it won't be the first time a call is missed in the playoffs.

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There's no crying in playoff hockey...
What planet have you been on? Every time a team loses its going to because the refs are out to get them and love the other team.

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You are responsible for your stick. It can be an accident or on purpose, doesn't matter. You hit a guy in the face, that's a penalty.
Why isn't MSL responsible for his face? If the stick is at knee level, isn't MSL responsible for having his face there?

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04-14-2011, 08:35 AM
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Sucks for Marty. Definitely a penalty of some sort, don't like to see a guy get two teeth knocked out and some root canals and not even get a PP for it even if he's on the other team. That just sucks.

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Why isn't MSL responsible for his face? If the stick is at knee level, isn't MSL responsible for having his face there?
I forget who did it, but in the 3rd period, one of the pens players grabbed a bolt's stick, pulled it to his face, hit himself with it, and sold it as him getting whacked and drew the penalty.

Explain that?

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how do you call a penalty on that? completely incidental contact.

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