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04-13-2011, 01:53 PM
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THW: Penguins have utilized rule tweak to terrorize Lightning defense

THW's Mike Colligan at it again!

Penguins have utilized rule tweak to terrorize Lightning defense

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PITTSBURGH – The first round playoff matchup between the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Tampa Bay Lightning kicks off tonight at 7pm and is set to be an intriguing one.

In no other series this year can you say both teams have a legitimate chance of sweeping the other. The storylines on the ice are well-documented. Behind the bench, two new-era coaches will faceoff with X’s and O’s.

Tampa’s Guy Boucher is not your average bench boss. The owner of a master’s degree in sports psychology has not been afraid to challenge tradition in his first season. He and new GM Steve Yzerman have transformed the Lightning and taken the franchise back to the playoffs after a chaotic three-year hiatus.

Dan Bylsma of Pittsburgh brings an upbeat, yet relentless approach to the game that was chronicled in detail during the the HBO 24/7 series.
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Fixed your links. You have http:// twice in a row at the beginning of both.

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That was a really interesting article. I wasn't aware of the rule tweak for the first half of the year and thought we were getting away with icing all the time!

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Behind Enemy Lines:

How The Bolts Can Win
Posted by: Alan Zlotorzynski

http://thehockeywriters.com/tampa-ba...bolts-can-win/


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Very good read. And thank you for fixing the links.

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The first article is awesome. It's like Cole's X's and O's on steroids. Good work!

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Nice reads, but the Penguins are not the only ones getting an advantage on that icing non calls and players do have to touch the puck enough for them to warrant the transition of it. Most of the time it's done for a line change which both teams get that call anyways.

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Good article. As a coach who doesn't consider himself an "old-time hockey coach" (see: Yelling at players to motivate, motivate, motivate), I'll be very interested to see these two new-age coaches go at it. It should make for some great video to study over the summer.

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Perfect! Love it! This has to come from Lemieux and Errey because they were masters of that chip play.

Everyone always talks about how well Brown and Lemieux could read each other but Errey was always really under rated as a Lemieux linemate. As much as a goof he can be on TV he was drafted high and has an elite hockey mind. I always love the way the supported Lemieux when the big guy had the puck in every zone.

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Almost all NHL teams utilize the rule change. They did a great job of presenting that and being able to show it to the average fan. Great read. It's like dumping the puck from our own zone. It's a beauty.

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Didn't read the article, but I've been saying all year that if teams played the Lightning the way we do, using this new rule, they would not nearly be as good as their record shows they are. From the first minute of the first game, we had their system's number.

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Fixed your links. You have http:// twice in a row at the beginning of both.
Thanks for fixing the links! A little too excited for the playoffs I guess.

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It's always been around since I think the lockout, it's just a matter of the refs feeling like calling it that way. Just like almost everything else.

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I noticed we really started using this with consistency after a devils game when we got trapped to hell. Bylsma is very good at being ahead of the curve and adjusting. He is a smart guy which makes me wonder why he can't figure something out for the PP.

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How The Bolts Can Win
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http://thehockeywriters.com/tampa-ba...bolts-can-win/
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Pittsburgh will not out skate the Lightning in the early stages of the contest. The Bolts are too fast for them.For me it is simple. I like Tampa Bay to score early and then hold on and I base that on one stat.
Im calling BS on that.

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Im calling BS on that.
Really? I thought the Lightning won the first period. Not by a lot but they won it. Plus as far as the article saying they'd score early, well they almost did 3-4 times. It's actually pretty good analysis the pucks just didn't go in. After that it was mostly Penguins though.

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I think TB came out with more energy, but the only thing they were really dominating was shots. They were getting beat up pretty bad in the 1st period.

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I thought they carried the play for the first 12 minutes or so for sure. If they got up 2-0 in those 12 minutes it certainly would have been a different game.

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I think TB came out with more energy, but the only thing they were really dominating was shots. They were getting beat up pretty bad in the 1st period.
Those are fair points. I think more importantly it was the chances. I don't really think the Penguins had many legitimate ones in that first 20 minutes. The Lightning came about as close as you can come a few times. As WVP stated they could have easily scored first in this game. Obviously they didn't though. Like I said I don't think they "dominated" they just had a better period by a certain margin.

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Bylsma is very good at being ahead of the curve and adjusting. He is a smart guy which makes me wonder why he can't figure something out for the PP.
Execution and personnel doomed the power play. That's obvious.

But also think- penalty kills are pretty good. They're going to kill 80%+ of most power plays, overall. They take away shooting/passing lanes, and enough time/space to make power plays fairly inefficient.

The PP is dreadful, but the parts aren't that great and the PK's are usually going to win out. Bylsma's a smart guy, but he's not going to be able to re-design the wheel and think of some strategy no coach in the history of hockey has ever thought up.

If anything, he needs to keep it simple: gain zone entry, get bodies to the net, get pucks to the net and pray for lucky bounces or a big guy like Neal/Staal/Rupp to be able to chip a few dirty ones home.

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Really? I thought the Lightning won the first period. Not by a lot but they won it. Plus as far as the article saying they'd score early, well they almost did 3-4 times. It's actually pretty good analysis the pucks just didn't go in. After that it was mostly Penguins though.
My thinking is that it says the Bolts are too fast for the Pens and I disagree. Yeah they carried the play early on but I dont think it has to do with thier speed or skating.
Early on we were having trouble getting past the 1 3 1 consistantly and they were using that to take it to us. Doesnt mean they were faster, our forwards had nowhere to go.
Even though it went on like that early on I thought we adjusted well and our dmen outskated thier forwards for awhile transitioning back well.

My issue was really with the idea that thier a faster team. I dont see it that way.


I did like how later in the game, when one of our players finally saw some daylight they just blew into the zone. Like Kunitz in the 3rd, Asham on his goal, Talbot was trying to speed his way into thier zone a few times. Connors speed is still suprising at times.

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My thinking is that it says the Bolts are too fast for the Pens and I disagree. Yeah they carried the play early on but I dont think it has to do with thier speed or skating.
Early on we were having trouble getting past the 1 3 1 consistantly and they were using that to take it to us. Doesnt mean they were faster, our forwards had nowhere to go.
Even though it went on like that early on I thought we adjusted well and our dmen outskated thier forwards for awhile transitioning back well.

My issue was really with the idea that thier a faster team. I dont see it that way.


I did like how later in the game, when one of our players finally saw some daylight they just blew into the zone. Like Kunitz in the 3rd, Asham on his goal, Talbot was trying to speed his way into thier zone a few times. Connors speed is still suprising at times.
Yeah I agree in that context, I don't think they're too fast for the Penguins by a long shot.

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Lots of teams do this icing exploit now, if not all teams. It's a bad thing from a fan perspective IMO , as it makes you feel like you're watching ping-pong or tennis.

Brian Burke has proposed some interesting rule changes to address this.

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Yea, everybody does this

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