HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Los Angeles Kings
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

New Stoll-less Lines 4/15

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-15-2011, 05:31 PM
  #1
TonySCV
Moderator
Two Timer!
 
TonySCV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 13,169
vCash: 500
New Stoll-less Lines 4/15

Lines from practice per nothelen:

Smyth-Lewis-Williams
Penner-Handzus-Brown
Clifford-Richardson-Simmonds
Ponikarovsky-Moller-Westgarth

TonySCV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 05:35 PM
  #2
Orenji
Registered User
 
Orenji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Winningland
Country: United States
Posts: 5,290
vCash: 500
John Zeiler: King of the Bench

Why even call him up. We have Harrold and Drewiske for our scratched duties.

Orenji is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 05:36 PM
  #3
DAkings20
Kings can't score
 
DAkings20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Valencia, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 12,013
vCash: 500

DAkings20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 05:40 PM
  #4
Martyros
Registered User
 
Martyros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Holly Hood
Country: Armenia
Posts: 5,612
vCash: 500
There MUST be something stopping Schenn from being called up.

Martyros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 05:41 PM
  #5
Herby
Culture Changer
 
Herby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 15,453
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martyros View Post
There MUST be something stopping Schenn from being called up.

Herby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 05:42 PM
  #6
SMoneyMonkey
Registered User
 
SMoneyMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: LA/MTL
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,506
vCash: 500
I wonder if Schenn got injured near the end of the WHL regular season. Would explain why he didn't completely dominate the playoffs and why they don't want to call him up to the NHL...?

SMoneyMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 05:46 PM
  #7
Orenji
Registered User
 
Orenji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Winningland
Country: United States
Posts: 5,290
vCash: 500
If Schenn was injured, it would be reported.

Dean is just babying him.

Orenji is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:02 PM
  #8
TonySCV
Moderator
Two Timer!
 
TonySCV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 13,169
vCash: 500
"Kings assistant GM Ron Hextall spoke after practice and said the team felt that Trevor Lewis was the best option to move into a more offensive role at center, which is why John Zeiler was called up instead of Brayden Schenn. The Kings will choose between Zeiler and Oscar Moller as the fourth-line center. Hextall and Jarret Stoll both described themselves as disappointed with the league’s decision to suspend Stoll for one game. More on this to come…"

http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/15...-stoll-recall/

Obviously (at least in practice) they went with Moller. We'll see if it sticks for tomorrow. If Zeiler gets substituted for Moller, Moller's probably already played his last NHL game.

TonySCV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:05 PM
  #9
SMoneyMonkey
Registered User
 
SMoneyMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: LA/MTL
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,506
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonySCV View Post
Obviously (at least in practice) they went with Moller. We'll see if it sticks for tomorrow. If Zeiler gets substituted for Moller, Moller's probably already played his last NHL game.
As a King. I still think he'd thrive in the East. And NHL 10 agrees!

SMoneyMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:05 PM
  #10
Martyros
Registered User
 
Martyros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Holly Hood
Country: Armenia
Posts: 5,612
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby View Post
Needs a "LOL, Schenn?" photoshop.

Martyros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:10 PM
  #11
TonySCV
Moderator
Two Timer!
 
TonySCV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 13,169
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMoneyMonkey View Post
As a King. I still think he'd thrive in the East. And NHL 10 agrees!
Whatever works for online success. I think in Moller's case, his size and lack of bulk is going to make him a NHL footnote.

TonySCV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:12 PM
  #12
Josh Deitell
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Josh Deitell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Boston
Country: United States
Posts: 3,212
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonySCV View Post
"Kings assistant GM Ron Hextall spoke after practice and said the team felt that Trevor Lewis was the best option to move into a more offensive role at center, which is why John Zeiler was called up instead of Brayden Schenn. The Kings will choose between Zeiler and Oscar Moller as the fourth-line center. Hextall and Jarret Stoll both described themselves as disappointed with the league’s decision to suspend Stoll for one game. More on this to come…"

http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/15...-stoll-recall/

Obviously (at least in practice) they went with Moller. We'll see if it sticks for tomorrow. If Zeiler gets substituted for Moller, Moller's probably already played his last NHL game.
I really like this explanation and I'm glad to see Lewis getting a shot. The kid has absolutely paid his dues.

Josh Deitell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:15 PM
  #13
two out of three*
 
two out of three*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Newbury Park, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,829
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to two out of three* Send a message via AIM to two out of three*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Deitell View Post
I really like this explanation and I'm glad to see Lewis getting a shot. The kid has absolutely paid his dues.


Lewis is NOT better offensively than Schenn...

two out of three* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:21 PM
  #14
Josh Deitell
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Josh Deitell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Boston
Country: United States
Posts: 3,212
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by two out of three View Post


Lewis is NOT better offensively than Schenn...
Right now? At the NHL level? In the Kings system? He absolutely is.

Josh Deitell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:21 PM
  #15
TonySCV
Moderator
Two Timer!
 
TonySCV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 13,169
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by two out of three View Post


Lewis is NOT better offensively than Schenn...
And that relates to his point... how?

He said that Lewis paid his dues. Schenn has not. That was his point.

TonySCV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:24 PM
  #16
Josh Deitell
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Josh Deitell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Boston
Country: United States
Posts: 3,212
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonySCV View Post
And that relates to his point... how?

He said that Lewis paid his dues. Schenn has not. That was his point.
Even still though, at this point in time Lewis is the better option, hands down.

Doesn't make sense to throw a professional rookie into a scoring role in the playoffs if you have a guy who's potted 20 AHL goals on a weak offensive team and is five seasons into his pro career as an alternative.

Not to mention the other point, that guys should earn opportunities like these, not be gifted them. Lest we forget how throwing Bernier to the wolves in 07-08 almost irreparably damaged his psyche.

Josh Deitell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:27 PM
  #17
DAkings20
Kings can't score
 
DAkings20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Valencia, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 12,013
vCash: 500
http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/15...urray-steamed/

Zeiler and Westgarth both playing, just the way TM likes it


DAkings20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:29 PM
  #18
Omni Owl
Registered User
 
Omni Owl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAkings20 View Post
http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/15...urray-steamed/

Zeiler and Westgarth both playing, just the way TM likes it

I'm seeing what they're doing there.

Omni Owl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:29 PM
  #19
two out of three*
 
two out of three*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Newbury Park, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,829
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to two out of three* Send a message via AIM to two out of three*
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonySCV View Post
And that relates to his point... how?

He said that Lewis paid his dues. Schenn has not. That was his point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Deitell View Post
Even still though, at this point in time Lewis is the better option, hands down.

Doesn't make sense to throw a professional rookie into a scoring role in the playoffs if you have a guy who's potted 20 AHL goals on a weak offensive team and is five seasons into his pro career as an alternative.
I hate the "paying dues" excuse to protect certain guys. It's the best man for the job, I don't care how many games you've played in the minors or how many games you got in the NHL because you're one of Terry Murrays butt-buddies. I like Lewis' efforts on the PK. It's too bad for him that there are A LOT of guys in this league that can kill penalties the same way he does. It's just a fact that Schenn has a more polished offensive game than Trevor Lewis. Lewis has had chances upon chances to put the puck in the net, and it hasn't happened. In FACT, he's had 72 games to put the puck in the net and he's scored a WHOPPING THREE. THREE! And he's a "better option to use in an offensive role?" Are you kidding?

"Paying your dues" in the Los Angeles Kings organization is nothing more than a phrase people use to cover up that certain players aren't good enough to play in the NHL. Azevedo, Holloway, King, or whoever else down there are all "paying their dues" and if they were to ever get a look in the NHL before Schenn I will VOMIT.

two out of three* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:30 PM
  #20
Orenji
Registered User
 
Orenji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Winningland
Country: United States
Posts: 5,290
vCash: 500
Zeiler and Westgarth are the Bash Brothers. Just less useful.

Also Moller should just ask to be traded. Either he's going to be traded or be a career AHL'er. If he can't start over freaking Kevin Westgarth and John Zeiler, then how does he expect to beat out guys like Schenn, Loktionov and Toffoli? Moller is done.

Orenji is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:47 PM
  #21
sjmay*
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,732
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by two out of three View Post
I hate the "paying dues" excuse to protect certain guys. It's the best man for the job, I don't care how many games you've played in the minors or how many games you got in the NHL because you're one of Terry Murrays butt-buddies. I like Lewis' efforts on the PK. It's too bad for him that there are A LOT of guys in this league that can kill penalties the same way he does. It's just a fact that Schenn has a more polished offensive game than Trevor Lewis. Lewis has had chances upon chances to put the puck in the net, and it hasn't happened. In FACT, he's had 72 games to put the puck in the net and he's scored a WHOPPING THREE. THREE! And he's a "better option to use in an offensive role?" Are you kidding?

"Paying your dues" in the Los Angeles Kings organization is nothing more than a phrase people use to cover up that certain players aren't good enough to play in the NHL. Azevedo, Holloway, King, or whoever else down there are all "paying their dues" and if they were to ever get a look in the NHL before Schenn I will VOMIT.
King already has, now please commence on demand vomiting, don't choke on it though...

sjmay* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 06:52 PM
  #22
two out of three*
 
two out of three*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Newbury Park, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,829
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to two out of three* Send a message via AIM to two out of three*
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmay View Post
King already has, now please commence on demand vomiting, don't choke on it though...
Got me there. That was SOLID.

two out of three* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 07:01 PM
  #23
null33
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,091
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonySCV View Post
"Kings assistant GM Ron Hextall spoke after practice and said the team felt that Trevor Lewis was the best option to move into a more offensive role at center, which is why John Zeiler was called up instead of Brayden Schenn. The Kings will choose between Zeiler and Oscar Moller as the fourth-line center. Hextall and Jarret Stoll both described themselves as disappointed with the league’s decision to suspend Stoll for one game. More on this to come…"

http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/15...-stoll-recall/

Obviously (at least in practice) they went with Moller. We'll see if it sticks for tomorrow. If Zeiler gets substituted for Moller, Moller's probably already played his last NHL game.
Hextall's answer seems pretty reasonable. Lewis stepped up into a top six role briefly after Kopitar went down and did a decent job of it. Knows the system and his team mates pretty well. Schenn doesn't. QED.

null33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 07:04 PM
  #24
two out of three*
 
two out of three*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Newbury Park, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,829
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to two out of three* Send a message via AIM to two out of three*
Lars, you brought up Braydens NHL resume and him having 2 points in 9 games. If he continued on that pace he would have 18, which is more points than Trevor Lewis' 13.

But yeah - Trevor Lewis. Best option for an offensive role at center.

two out of three* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2011, 07:25 PM
  #25
null33
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,091
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by two out of three View Post
Lars, you brought up Braydens NHL resume and him having 2 points in 9 games. If he continued on that pace he would have 18, which is more points than Trevor Lewis' 13.

But yeah - Trevor Lewis. Best option for an offensive role at center.
Meh. Whoever fills that spot will be expected to play defense first, keep the cycle going, and generate occasional scoring chances without getting exposed. That's how Kings' centers play.

Schenn's clearly going to be the better option. One day. Maybe as soon as next October. But not today. He doesn't know Murray's system as well as Lewis does and he doesn't know his linemates as well and he's less familiar with the pace of the NHL game and with tomorrow night's opponents. So while there's probably more upside with Schenn on the scoring piece, it's downside for all the rest.

The move is completely reasonable.

null33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.