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04-16-2011, 08:32 PM
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Callahan number 2 on NHL INTANGIBLE LEADERS

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362523



i find it odd that Dubinsky Prust and Fedotenko isnt on the list but McDonagh and Boyle are.


also Girardi Eminger and Staal is on the list.


not a bad selection of players.

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04-16-2011, 09:01 PM
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I is impressed.


But seriously, how can they measure something that's not tangible? I know he explains his formula, but this is really more of an entertainment article, IMO. It gives a good idea of players who do all the little things, but ranking them is totally arbitrary. Cally is clearly up there though.

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I miss Cally ):

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I miss Cally as well, but as per this article, really surprised that Zanon was #1 LOL.

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if you read how they "calculated" this list, it probably makes "sense." Although I wish he'd clarify...

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I've adjusted the rankings of the Rangers and Islanders because they had a ridiculous disproportion of players ranked in the Top 100
Callahan and Girardi surely have more intangibles than Zanon. And it's kind of a dumb title as he is using quantifiable and tangible stats to calculate his numbers. hits, blocked shots, take aways, etc. This should be the "Makes life difficult for opposition" rankings

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if you read how they "calculated" this list, it probably makes sense. Although I wish he'd clarify...



Callahan and Girardi surely have more intangibles than Zanon. And it's kind of a dumb title as he is using quantifiable and tangible stats to calculate his numbers. hits, blocked shots, take aways, etc.
I don't so any unnecessary reading I just skip to the list

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brad richards at #560 OH NOEZ

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brad richards at #560 OH NOEZ
yeah, this is a pretty junk list because it doesn't really rank players in any useful way. you can make an incredible line up out of the players on the bottom of this list.

Sedin-Richards-Heatley
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04-16-2011, 09:43 PM
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Rangers and Isles probably had a disproportionate number of players because the other team has the puck most of the time. You ain't blocking shot and hitting people while you're in the offensive zone. yes i know you hit while forechecking but whatever...

Anyways, seeing Mike Green in the top 100 made me disregard the formula. No way should he see the light of any "intangible" list.

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How are things like hits, blocked shots and faceoffs considered intangible? When I think of intangibles, I'm thinking of things like leadership, hustle, poise, etc. You know, actual intangible qualities...

I don't know who Scott Cullen is, but I doubt I'll be reading anything by him every again.

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How are things like hits, blocked shots and faceoffs considered intangible? When I think of intangibles, I'm thinking of things like leadership, hustle, poise, etc. You know, actual intangible qualities...

I don't know who Scott Cullen is, but I doubt I'll be reading anything by him every again.


I was just thinking the same exact thing!

How can intangibles be quantified? Talk about an oxymoron!

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I was just thinking the same exact thing!

How can intangibles be quantified? Talk about an oxymoron!
I was about to register at TSN to point out in the comments just how idiotic this is, but I see a couple of other people had it covered.

Apparently, intangible and tangible are now the same thing. I guess it's like flammable and inflammable.

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I didn't read the article but a thread about intangibles and Drury hasn't been mentioned positively or negatively?

HF, I am disappoint.

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How are things like hits, blocked shots and faceoffs considered intangible? When I think of intangibles, I'm thinking of things like leadership, hustle, poise, etc. You know, actual intangible qualities...

I don't know who Scott Cullen is, but I doubt I'll be reading anything by him every again.
Poise is apparently a tangible stat in the EA NHL games
I would add something like "winning battles" to that list. or "sphere of influence" as in a radial area in which you 'own' the ice. Anything coming into your sphere, be it pucks or players is subject to your influence. A numerical value could probably be faked like poise, but you get the idea. Although I guess "winning battles" is a subset of "sphere of influence." Also under "SoI" would be "difficult to play against"


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I didn't read the article but a thread about intangibles and Drury hasn't been mentioned positively or negatively?

HF, I am disappoint.
someone posted a vague mention but it appears that post has been removed.

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How are things like hits, blocked shots and faceoffs considered intangible? When I think of intangibles, I'm thinking of things like leadership, hustle, poise, etc. You know, actual intangible qualities...

I don't know who Scott Cullen is, but I doubt I'll be reading anything by him every again.
Yea measuring something that's "intangible" seems scientifically impossible, but I wasn't a science major so what do I know.

Anyway using blocked shots in the formula overvalue defenseman and anyone on a bad team... using turnovers overvalue defenseman compared to forwards... using faceoffs undervalues anyone playing center and wearing a rangers jersey.

Not surprised that Callahan and Girardi are high on a list like this, but this list and the formula used to create it are garbage.

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04-17-2011, 01:02 AM
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Greg Zanon is on top of the list.

Article is already bogus.

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FWIW Greg Zanon is a good player. He would make a fine addition to our 5-6 pairing.

Whatever the case if you can track a stat it's tangible. When Brian Boyle's agent negotiates for a contract over the summer you can bet he's going to mention more than Boyle's scoring stats. It's not likely he's going to forget to mention Boyle's 240 hits or his 86 blocked shots and he might mention it over and over just in case he thinks he might have forgot to say it or even because he's not sure that Glen Sather and his management team have those stats firmly implanted in their heads.

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Dubi misses Calli the most, Drury's play in this series proves the point why Calli should be Captain...

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I didn't read the article but a thread about intangibles and Drury hasn't been mentioned positively or negatively?

HF, I am disappoint.
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Here are the 2010-2011 intangibles leaders and, below, the*trailers*(minimum 40 games played):
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Not sure I understand this Intangible list and etc, but what I do know is Cally is a heck of a player and an important part of the core of players on this team.

Unfortunately, The way he plays the game, injuries will happen as he is not the biggest player in the NHL.

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I feel like rating intangibles is a little counter-intuitive.

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We all know who the real number 1 is....Chris Drury.



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I feel like rating intangibles is a little counter-intuitive.
Yeah. This is just silly and inherently self-contradictory.

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Scott Cullen is obsessed with these stupid formulas and statistics. Some of the hardcore fantasy hockey nuts must worship this guy.

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