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04-16-2011, 10:42 PM
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He should be in the ****ing lineup.
No.....he really shouldn't.

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04-17-2011, 02:37 AM
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No.....he really shouldn't.
Why not?

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04-17-2011, 07:44 AM
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Why not?
Because defence is critical at this time of year. Carcillo has been excellent thus far, not only with a goal last night but he's played well on the 4th line and can play higher up if need be. His main issue has always been that he takes dumb penalties but we haven't seen any sign of that. Zherdev doesn't realize the word defence exists. It's bad enough we have the Briere line who is fabulous offensively but pretty bad defensively so you don't want to add another guy who is even worse on defence.

If he was just average or mediocre on defence, people would have no problem with him.

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04-17-2011, 08:16 AM
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Because defence is critical at this time of year. Carcillo has been excellent thus far, not only with a goal last night but he's played well on the 4th line and can play higher up if need be. His main issue has always been that he takes dumb penalties but we haven't seen any sign of that. Zherdev doesn't realize the word defence exists. It's bad enough we have the Briere line who is fabulous offensively but pretty bad defensively so you don't want to add another guy who is even worse on defence.

If he was just average or mediocre on defence, people would have no problem with him.
but team D don't exist so that shouldn't be a problem

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04-17-2011, 10:01 AM
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Well. . . Nodl is supposedly hurt. So we'll see who gets in the line-up if he cannot go.

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04-17-2011, 01:46 PM
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For nodl/carcillo no less. But goals are fairly easy to come by so we shouldn't miss him too much...
Nodl & Carcillo were both excellent last night. Now that Nodl is hurt, Z might get his shot.

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Get the ****ing guy in. He's done nothing to be in the dog house. He'll light it up now that Nodl is out.

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04-17-2011, 02:07 PM
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Get the ****ing guy in. He's done nothing to be in the dog house. He'll light it up now that Nodl is out.
Playing 4 minutes a game, all in the first period? Cause god knows he'll hang at center ice for a bit and be doghouse'd.

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04-17-2011, 02:27 PM
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Holmstrom has better chance to play than Z, what can you do?

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04-17-2011, 02:34 PM
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Flyers are 1-8 in Z's last 9 games.

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04-17-2011, 02:37 PM
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Get the ****ing guy in. He's done nothing to be in the dog house. He'll light it up now that Nodl is out.
Nothing to be in the dog house, except dog it on D, and go AWOL when his team desperately needed him, asked to be waived, etc.

I mean, it isn't like he has a history of this sort of thing or has had teams give up on him before or anything.

Look, the guy is talented and I'm more than willing to dress him in the post-season to see what he can do, but the guy has made his own bed. It's just plain silly to deny that.

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04-17-2011, 02:42 PM
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Flyers are 1-8 in Z's last 9 games.
but that was before the switch...

btw how many turnovers or defensive meltdows he have in this 9 games??

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04-17-2011, 10:06 PM
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Nodl/Carcillo should both be in over Zherdev. I think that is an easy decision. Playoff hockey is not the same as regular season hockey, it is a seven game series which I would trust those two players way more than Zherdev.

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04-19-2011, 12:42 AM
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Zherdev plays. Game winning goal. Several good offensive zone chances.

I just can't grasp the hate.

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Zherdev plays. Game winning goal. Several good offensive zone chances.

I just can't grasp the hate.
haters only come out to play when its a one-sided convo..

they cant stand it when they are wrong aswell..

but its ok, this site has a terrific "set to ignore" feature, and your allowed to have ALOT of people on it im finding out..

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04-19-2011, 01:27 AM
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Because he isn't a hard working forward and found himself in the doghouse how many times this season?

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04-19-2011, 01:35 AM
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Because he isn't a hard working forward and found himself in the doghouse how many times this season?
But he's now had like 6 or 7 good games in a row. How many more does it take before people stop saying "I want to see him benched" and start saying "if he keeps playing like this, I want him scoring goals for us"?

Or is it the fear of one bad game that would have you never let him play again?


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04-19-2011, 01:54 AM
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But he's now had like 6 or 7 good games in a row. How many more does it take before people stop saying "I want to see him benched" and start saying "if he keeps playing like this, I want him scoring goals for us"?

Or is it the fear of one bad game that would have you never let him play again?
The man has played 421 games in the NHL... he is what he is. Don't act like he's some mystery. He has his strengths, and he has his weaknesses. His weaknesses are what keep him on the periphery of the lineup, it's as simple as that.

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Did you notice that his goal was the result of smart plays by Versteeg and Richie? Or that in the last part of the game when the Sabres had to be shut down, he was replaced on that line by Powe? That's why his playing time is minimized.

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Did you notice that his goal was the result of smart plays by Versteeg and Richie? Or that in the last part of the game when the Sabres had to be shut down, he was replaced on that line by Powe? That's why his playing time is minimized.
Yeah, let's just forget about everything good that he brings and try to minimize his value. We all know scoring isn't important. Oh, and how many goals against were his fault? 0.

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Zherdev is a phenom and should be on the ice for the whole game if possible

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Yeah, let's just forget about everything good that he brings and try to minimize his value. We all know scoring isn't important. Oh, and how many goals against were his fault? 0.
When you have an amazing defensive forward like Richie on your line and a very good one in Versteeg, a hot goalie and fantastic defense, it's pretty hard to be scored against. Let's not forget he was available to any team in the league at half price and nobody wanted him. Let's not forget tonight's goal was his first ever playoff point.

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When you have an amazing defensive forward like Richie on your line and a very good one in Versteeg, a hot goalie and fantastic defense, it's pretty hard to be scored against. Let's not forget he was available to any team in the league at half price and nobody wanted him. Let's not forget tonight's goal was his first ever playoff point.
how about recognising that the man has a skillset that maybe 5 players in the league have. How about recognising that while he may be poor on defense, he is a complete offensive dynamo, that forces the opposition to watch him at all times.

When you can have a player like that on the ice, you do it. You can always cover defensive defensive lapesse. Not many people can create offense like he does

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04-19-2011, 08:39 AM
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Zherdev has the best corsi value of any flyer (and is one of the top in league). Corsi is a measure of puck possession (how much his team controls the puck versus how much the oppisition is in control of the puck). The coaching staff has totally misused this guys skills all year and is frustrating this talented player. He is not a grit/grinder flyer player and he plays a different game better suited for other teams. I just wish the coaching staff would stop trying to fit this guy into the flyer mold square peg mold.
I cannot believe I am actually reading this, there has to be some reason why Laviolette does not play him besides them trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.........maybe he does not fit the style of hockey which has proven to be successful in the post-season???? I am sure with his 8 minutes last night he will be right back in the lineup when Nodl is healthy.

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how about recognising that the man has a skillset that maybe 5 players in the league have. How about recognising that while he may be poor on defense, he is a complete offensive dynamo, that forces the opposition to watch him at all times.

When you can have a player like that on the ice, you do it. You can always cover defensive defensive lapesse. Not many people can create offense like he does
It's the playoffs! You can't have a guy who "may" score a goal yet you can't trust at all defensively. It must be such a pain in the ass for Lavi to know that whenever it's critical he can't put a regular player in a situation because his defense is so bad. Powe played a very tough game because of all the penalties and has hands of stone but he replaced the wonderful Zherdev when it mattered.

As far as skillset goes, Giroux, Briere and JvR are equal to Z's creativity so I can't be blown away with his skillset when the problems in his game are so evident.

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