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View Poll Results: What is your opinion on drafting Russians?
Draft if BPA 33 52.38%
Draft heavily out of Russia 2 3.17%
Draft from anywhere but Russia 28 44.44%
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04-19-2011, 11:54 AM
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Can we continue to ignore 17075200 kmē of talent come draft day?

2010
Alexander Burmistrov (8th ATL)
Vladamir Tarasenko (16th STL)
Evgeny Kuznetsov (26th WSH)
Kirill Kabanov (65th NYI)
Stanislav Galiev (86th WSH)
Ivan Telegin (101st ATL)
Maxim Kitsyn (158th LAK)
Maxim Chudinov (195th BOS)

2009
Dmitri Kulikov (14th FLO)
Dmitri Orlov (55th WSH)
Igor Bobkov (76th ANA)
Sergei Andronov (78th STL)
Alexander Avtsin (109th MON)
Anton Klementiev (122nd NYI)
Mikhail Pashnin (200th NYR)

2008
Nikita Filatov (6th CLB)
Viktor Tihkonov (28th PHX)
Vyacheslav Voinov (32nd LAK)
Dmitri Kugryshev (58th WSH)
Kirill Petrov (73rd NYI)
Evgeny Grachev (75th NYR)
Andrei Loktionov (123rd LAK)
Maxim Trunev (138th MON)
Alexander Pechurski (150th PIT)

2007
Alexei Cherepanov (17th NYR) R.I.P
Ruslan Bashkirov (60th OTT)
Sergei Korostin (64th DAL)
Evgeny Dadonov (71st FLO)
Maxim Mayorov (94th CLB)
Maxim Grachev (106th NYI)
Maxim Goncharov (123rd PHX)
Ilya Kablukov (146th VAN)

2006
Seymon Varlamov (23rd WSH)
Ivan Vishnevskiy (27th DAL)
Igor Makarov (33rd CHI)
Yuri Alexandrov (37th BOS)
Nikolai Kulemin (44th TOR)
Artem Anisimov (54th NYR)
Denis Bodrov (55th PHI)
Alexander Vasyunov (58th NJD)
Kirill Tulupov (67th NJD)
Vladamir Zharkov (77th NJD)
Pavel Valentenko (139th MON)
Sergei Shirokov (163rd VAN)
Alexander Bumagin (170th EDM)
Denis Kazionov (198th TBL)
Andrei Popov (205th PHI)

2005
Vitaly Anikeenko (71st OTT)
Ilya Zubov (98th OTT)
Denis Istomin (117th CHI)
Slava Trunkho (120th EDM)
Anton Krysanov (148th PHX)
Roman Derlyuk (164th FLO)
Dmitri Megalinsky (186th OTT)
Andrei Zubarev (187th ATL)
Vyacheslav Buravchikov (191st BUF)
Viktor Dovgan (209th WSH)
Nikolai Lemtyugov (219th STL)

These are the players drafted out of Russia since the lockout. Years 2005 and 2007 sucked but I think because of it less and less Russians were drafted in the years following, leading to the best-of-the-best Russians being drafted while others who probably would have been drafted in years 2005-2007 got passed on. Look at the talent available in the past 3 drafts. Are we really going to pass on the players with the most talent because we got burned years ago?

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04-19-2011, 11:58 AM
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im not criticizing your post or anything but why would you measure people in land area it doesnt really make sense

for content: if there is a true first overall type talent playing in russia, i have no doubts wed pick them

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04-19-2011, 12:04 PM
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Are we really going to pass on the players with the most talent because we got burned years ago?
Probably.

SC Winning Rosters (emboldened for Russians)

2010 CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS: Kyle Beach, Bryan Bickell, David Bolland, Nicholas Boynton, Troy Brouwer, Adam Burish, Dustin Byfuglien, Brian Campbell, Brian Connelly, Corey Crawford, Jassen Cullimore, Jacob Dowell, Ben Eager, Colin Fraser, Jordan Hendry, Niklas Hjalmarsson, Marian Hossa, Cristobal Huet, Kim Johnsson, Patrick Kane, Duncan Keith, Tomas Kopecky, Andrew Ladd, Shawn Lalonde, Antti Niemi, Danny Richmond, Brent Seabrook, Patrick Sharp, Jack Skille, Brent Sopel, Jonathan Toews,Hannu Toivonen, Kris Versteegohn Madden

2009 PITTSBURGH PENGUINS: Evgeni Malkin, Sidney Crosby, Jordan Staal, Petr Sykora, Ruslan Fedotenko, Miroslav Satan, Tyler Kennedy, Kristopher Letang, Matt Cooke, Pascal Dupuis, Maxime Talbot, Alex Goligoski, Sergei Gonchar, Brooks Orpik, Chris Kunitz, Rob Scuderi, Bill Guerin, Hal Gill, Mark Eaton, Philippe Boucher, Mike Zigomanis, Eric Godard, Bill Thomas, Dustin Jeffrey, Chris Minard, Jeff Taffe, Tim Wallace, Luca Caputi, Craig Adams, Paul Bissonnette, Marc-Andre Fleury, Connor James, Ben Lovejoy, Ryan Stone, John Curry, Mathieu Garon, Janne Pesonen, Dany Sabourin, John Curry, Marc-Andre Fleury, Dany Sabourin, Mathieu Garon.

2008 DETROIT REDWINGS: Aaron Downey, Andreas Lilja, Brad Stuart, Brett Lebda, Brian Rafalski, Chris Chelios, Chris Osgood, Dallas Drake, Daniel Cleary, Darren Helm, Darren McCarty, Derek Meech, Dominik Hasek, Henrik Zetterberg (A), Jimmy Howard, Jiri Hudler, Johan Franzen, Jonathan Ericsson, Kirk Maltby, Kris Draper (A), Kyle Quincey, Mark Hartigan, Mikael Samuelsson, Nicklas Lidstrom (C), Niklas Kronwall, Pavel Datsyuk (A), Tomas Holmstrom, Valtteri Filppula, General Manager: Ken Holland, Head Coach: Mike Babcock

2007 ANAHEIM DUCKS: Ilya Bryzgalov, Jean-Sebastien Giguere, Richard Jackman, Sean O'Donnell, Francois Beauchemin, Chris Pronger, Scott Niedermayer, Joe DiPenta, Aaron Rome, Kent Huskins, Shane Hnidy, Todd Bertuzzi, Teemu Selanne, Corey Perry, Chris Kunitz, Ryan Getzlaf, George Parros, Dustin Penner, Drew Miller, Andy McDonald, Todd Marchant, Brad May, Samuel Pahlsson, Travis Moen, Rob Niedermayer, Ryan Carter

2006 Carolina Hurricanes : Adams, Kevyn (C) Adams, Craig (R) Aucoin, Keith (R) Babchuk, Anton (D) Boulerice, Jesse (R) Brind'Amour, Rod (C) Cole, Erik (L) Commodore, Mike (D) Cullen, Matt (C) Gerber, Martin (G) Gove, David (L) Hedican, Bret (D) Hutchinson, Andrew (D) Kaberle, Frantisek (D) Ladd, Andrew (L) Larose, Chad (C) Nordgren, Niklas (L) Recchi, Mark (R) Richmond, Danny (D) Staal, Eric (C) Stillman, Cory (L) Tverdovsky, Oleg (D) Vasicek, Josef (C) Vrbata, Radim (R) Wallin, Niclas (D) Ward, Cam (G) Ward, Aaron (D) Weight, Doug (C) Wesley, Glen (D) Whitney, Ray (L) Williams, Justin (R) Zigomanis, Michael (C)

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04-19-2011, 12:06 PM
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Are they clearly the best player available? Then sure. If it's a toss-up in any way, no. Take anything else. The ones who are good enough to crack the line up right away are a flight risk to the KHL, and the ones who aren't good enough to crack the line up seem reluctant to pay their dues in the AHL.

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Build your team with Canadians, Swedes and American hockey players are you'll have a winner. Look at the top picks this years draft, top 10 are either Swede or Canadian. I don't think its because the Russians aren't talented, just their attitude/work ethic are sometimes questioned and theres a 50/50 they go back to the KHL for more money.

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Are we really going to pass on the players with the most talent because we got burned years ago?
Short answer...why not? There aren't very many top-end talented Russians in this draft, so there isn't much point in this discussion.

Long answer, as long as the KHL provides an option that is equally, or almost as lucrative for them, it will always be a looked upon as a significant factor to not pick a Russian player. If they don't have Ovechkin-esque pedigree, a lot of teams will shy away. Heck, Malkin had to be smuggled away from his team just to get to the NHL. Not too many teams are going to want to do that for guys who probably aren't going to be top flight players.

That being said, there aren't too many guys from the list provided that have done anything in the NHL, so what's the point? Are they playing well in the KHL?

Besides, Russian players are old news. The new hotness are Americans and Swedes.

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If BPA and in the right case, for example I would have picked Tarasenko at the draft.

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04-19-2011, 12:16 PM
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Wouldn't take anyone not in North America by their draft year. Would kinda like to see us a pick a spot with one or two every now and then...everyone being so afraid of them seems to make it so easy to get a real top line talent where one shouldn't be available.

Don't really care though, the KHL after all is just getting bigger and more attractive.

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yes, as long as the KHL is forcing their minor guys to sign 5 year contracts and things like that, and legitimately trying to compete with the NHL.

if they recognize that they are a 2nd tier league like the SEL, and accept that the ultimate goal of their top players is to be in the NHL, then fine, but as long as they do everything in their power to keep their top young players, the risk is too high.

The risk/reward is just too high. Even if your picks pan out, and come over, you suddenly have to bid against a whole other league when it comes time for their 2nd or 3rd contract.

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I submit EXHIBIT A:
Ottawa's Russian Draft History (followed by draft round)

2007:
Ruslan Bashkirov (2) *(played junior in QMJHL with the Remparts)

2005:
Vitaly Anikeyenko (3)
Ilya Zubov (4)
Dimitry Megalinsky (6)

2004:
Kirill Lyamin (2)
Alexander Nikulin (4)

2003:
Igor Mirnov (2)
Sergei Gimayev (5)

2002:
Alexei Kaigorodov (2)
Vitaly Atyushov (9)

2000:
Anton Volchenkov (1)

1999:
Konstantin Gorovikov (9)

1998:
Petr Schastlivy (4)
Sergei Verenkin (8)

1993:
Sergei Polischuk (7)

1992:
Alexei Yashin (1)


Interesting Fact:
Russians drafted by John Muckler - 9
Russians Drafted by All Other Sens GMs in History Combined - 7


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Not worth the headaches to draft a Russian.

Ottawa has had enough migraines the past few years, no need to add anymore is there?????

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Best Forward Available in my opinion.. if we take a d-man he will almost automatically be atleast 4th on our defensive prospect list behind Wiercioch..

If there are no good forwards by the time it gets to us (Which i believe is impossible) we should use our 6th to trade for a young top 6 forward (similar to how we acquired Rundblad)..

Then move up Nashville's pick..

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If you switched this to Sweeden, then I might be excited.

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We'll draft Yakupov. No worries.

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That list doesn't look overly impressive to me anyways. Most of the players in past years haven't panned out - I'm sure the last three years look more impressive but a lot of them won't pan out either.

I don't think it makes sense to have a zero Russian drafting policy, but I don't really see it as this untapped resource either.

Most players drafted don't pan out, regardless of country, but Russians seem to have a significantly higher amount due to the KHL factor.

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I'd be disappointed if we pass on Yakupov.

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The draft is overrated. Simple as that. Players drafted from the 3rd-7th are unlikely to ever make the NHL and stick. So why not take a gamble? I see players playing on their junior team's 4th line drafted because they are from North America. They will never make the NHL, even if they do it's as a dime a dozen bottom 6 forward. It's not hard to replace those, there are hundreds of options available at the start of FA every year to replace a 4th line spot, and it only costs a late round pick usually at the trade deadline to pick up a bottom 6 veteran for your cup run. I just don't see the point in wasting time drafting/developing a future fringe NHL grinder when we could be taking flyers on potential top 6 talent.

I'd rather aim high and miss, than aim low and hit.

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Besides, Russian players are old news. The new hotness are Americans and Swedes.
The Russians won this years WJC. How are they old news?

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I'd take the gamble on Nikita Kucherov with the final 2nd. The kid seems to have top 10 talent but will likely fall on draft day. With so many picks, the team can roll the dice. After him, there's not a whole lot coming out of Russia worth looking at.

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I'd be disappointed if we pass on Yakupov.
This is pre-mature. We really don't know what he's all about yet.

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Grigorenko looks better than Yakupov. He is an awesome talent.

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Build your team with Canadians, Swedes and American hockey players are you'll have a winner. Look at the top picks this years draft, top 10 are either Swede or Canadian. I don't think its because the Russians aren't talented, just their attitude/work ethic are sometimes questioned and theres a 50/50 they go back to the KHL for more money.
QFT

Easy to ignore and just draft best next available player difference is marginal

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I submit EXHIBIT A:
Ottawa's Russian Draft History (followed by draft round)

2007:
Ruslan Bashkirov (2) *(played junior in QMJHL with the Remparts)

2005:
Vitaly Anikeyenko (3)
Ilya Zubov (4)
Dimitry Megalinsky (6)

2004:
Kirill Lyamin (2)
Alexander Nikulin (4)

2003:
Igor Mirnov (2)
Sergei Gimayev (5)

2002:
Alexei Kaigorodov (2)
Vitaly Atyushov (9)

2000:
Anton Volchenkov (1)

1999:
Konstantin Gorovikov (9)

1998:
Petr Schastlivy (4)
Sergei Verenkin (8)

1993:
Sergei Polischuk (7)

1992:
Alexei Yashin (1)


Interesting Fact:
Russians drafted by John Muckler - 9
Russians Drafted by All Other Sens GMs in History Combined - 7
North American busts since 2000

2007
Too early to tell with Caporusso and Blood

2006
Pierre Luc Lessard
Ryan Daniels
Kevin Koopman

2005
Drafted mostly from overseas

2004
Shawn Weller
Jeff Glass
Jim McKenzie
Joe Cooper
Matt McIlvane

2003
Tim Cook
Will Colbert
Brian Elliott?

2002
Scott Dobben
Brock Hooten

2001
Neil Komadowski
Jan Platil
Brandon Bochenski?
Neil Petruic
Gregg Johnson

2000
Derrick Byfuglien
Grant Potulny
Sean Connolly
Jason Maleyko
James DeMone

In that span there were also.....

4 busts from Czech Republic
3 busts from Finland
2 busts from Sweden
1 bust from Switzerland
1 bust from Germany

Sure our previous GMs screwed up the picks from Russia but it's not like they were better in other countries overseas.

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Khoklachev is a beauty and if some how he slips into the 2nd I would be pretty hopeful they would have forgiven his birthplace and gave him a legitimate look.

Love the kids game (does need to hit the weight rack hard tho)

I would of felt comfy with any Russian that came to play in the CHL, kids still in the motherland... not so much.

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Build your team with Canadians, Swedes and American hockey players are you'll have a winner. Look at the top picks this years draft, top 10 are either Swede or Canadian. I don't think its because the Russians aren't talented, just their attitude/work ethic are sometimes questioned and theres a 50/50 they go back to the KHL for more money.
This. QFT.

Ottawa's recent history with drafting Russian players is underwhelming.

It just makes sense though. They can make decent money at home or come and ride the busses for a small potential shot at the big-time. Also, most of these kids would be lucky to catch on as 3rd liners, making probably around $500k-1M/yr at best. That's AFTER they pay their dues and play a few seasons in the AHL, followed by a few in the NHL.

These kids can make nearly tax-free money that probably compares to the NHL league min (factoring in the tax situation) right away. Plus, what if they were injured in their first year in the AHL? The hockey is not as violent in the KHL and they could probably even have a longer career.

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I think you take it on a case by case basis.

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