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04-20-2011, 09:42 AM
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Carle is a huge plus for Flyers

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...or_Flyers.html

Seravelli article from Daily News talks about Corsi stats from Behindthenet.ca :

"Among defensemen who played at least 60 games this season, Carle is 33rd in the NHL in Corsi's rankings. And if you adjust that for the fact that he has a tendency to start his shift in the defensive zone, he moves up to 22nd.

No other Flyer is close.

Put simply, Carle starts in his own zone more often, limits his opponents' chances when on the ice, and starts to create offensive opportunities with strong breakouts and outlet passes."

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Also alphabetically superior

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Benefits of playing with strong teammates (highest QUALTEAM other than Pronger) and avoiding the superior defensive responsibility (-0.021 QUALCOMP).

Also, there's no doubt that Carle does a good job of creating some offense. The complaints about Carle stem from him brain farts on the other side.

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04-20-2011, 10:38 AM
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Hovercarle retort in 3....2....1!

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I find it laughable that people want to get rid of Carle, you keep the defensive depth they have acquired. Carle has reached career numbers, even without Pronger. Coburn has been excellent. Meszaros has been a nice find. Pronger and Timonen are the backbone.

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Benefits of playing with strong teammates (highest QUALTEAM other than Pronger) and avoiding the superior defensive responsibility (-0.021 QUALCOMP).

Also, there's no doubt that Carle does a good job of creating some offense. The complaints about Carle stem from him brain farts on the other side.
From the same article, the Flyers' esteemed D coach, but what would he know, he never even posts on a message board:

"I think people underestimate the player that he is defensively," assistant coach Kevin McCarthy said. "Sometimes, too, when people think you play in the shadow of your partner [Pronger], those things go unnoticed.

"When we lost 'Prongs' this year, people couldn't use that as an excuse anymore. Matt's game really stepped it up. He took the bull by the horns and took on some big minutes."


"He's turned himself into an all-around defenseman," McCarthy said. "I think sometimes where you're in the position with the five defensemen that we have, you get lost in the shuffle. But if you look at his stats, and you look at what he's done, he's certainly a lot better player than people think."

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From the same article, the Flyers' esteemed D coach, but what would he know, he never even posts on a message board:

"I think people underestimate the player that he is defensively," assistant coach Kevin McCarthy said. "Sometimes, too, when people think you play in the shadow of your partner [Pronger], those things go unnoticed.

"When we lost 'Prongs' this year, people couldn't use that as an excuse anymore. Matt's game really stepped it up. He took the bull by the horns and took on some big minutes."


"He's turned himself into an all-around defenseman," McCarthy said. "I think sometimes where you're in the position with the five defensemen that we have, you get lost in the shuffle. But if you look at his stats, and you look at what he's done, he's certainly a lot better player than people think."
Also a person with zero reason to be publicly critical of the guy... and every reason to publicly praise him.

Fact of the matter is that Carle was getting lit up early in the year when Pronger was out and struggling with the knee. Once Pronger got stronger and started to go a bit beast, Carle's defensive metrics all began to rise to solid. He still does **** on a fairly regular basis that is simply stupid defensively... like passing across the face of the crease onto an oncoming forecheckers stick, did you notice that the other night? It almost directly led to a goal and required a great save from Boucher. Never should have happened.

He does the type of **** that drove me nuts with Randy Jones, but is a better all-around player to make up for that... and certainly has some strong offensive chops.

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Carle has played very well this year.

Especially when Pronger looked sluggish out there. But IMO he, along with all the Defenseman have there faults. As I will always say, Carle/Coburn will always be the scapegoats on this team, should they be? Sometimes. All the time? No way

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I find it laughable that people want to get rid of Carle, you keep the defensive depth they have acquired. Carle has reached career numbers, even without Pronger. Coburn has been excellent. Meszaros has been a nice find. Pronger and Timonen are the backbone.
Yeah agreed.

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Also a person with zero reason to be publicly critical of the guy... and every reason to publicly praise him.

Fact of the matter is that Carle was getting lit up early in the year when Pronger was out and struggling with the knee. Once Pronger got stronger and started to go a bit beast, Carle's defensive metrics all began to rise to solid. He still does **** on a fairly regular basis that is simply stupid defensively... like passing across the face of the crease onto an oncoming forecheckers stick, did you notice that the other night? It almost directly led to a goal and required a great save from Boucher. Never should have happened.

He does the type of **** that drove me nuts with Randy Jones, but is a better all-around player to make up for that... and certainly has some strong offensive chops.
To be fair to mr Carle, He had to DEAL with pronger on one leg, it was not Pronger carrying Carle. Carle started the season off great without Pronger. Pronger was absolutly terrible for about 3 weeks.

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Carle has been really effective this year. He's not the best with giveaways, but all in all, he had a great year.

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Matt Carle has been the teams best defender...

Carle
Meszaros


Coburn



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Also a person with zero reason to be publicly critical of the guy... and every reason to publicly praise him.
There is a big difference between not unnecessarily criticizing your players in the media or damning them with faint praise, and going out of your way to volunteer insightful, effusive praise, as McCarthy did in this interview.

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Carle had a major brain fart with the cross ice pass last game, but otherwise did really well with syvret as his partner. Coburn has had the luxury of playing with Kimmo all year, yet Carle has been better than Coburn on many statistical levels with the revolving door of Mez, Walker, Pronger, Gus and Syvret as his partner.

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I find it laughable that people want to get rid of Carle, you keep the defensive depth they have acquired. Carle has reached career numbers, even without Pronger. Coburn has been excellent. Meszaros has been a nice find. Pronger and Timonen are the backbone.
I know I'd much rather get rid of Carter and Richards first

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There is a big difference between not unnecessarily criticizing your players in the media or damning them with faint praise, and going out of your way to volunteer insightful, effusive praise, as McCarthy did in this interview.
Not really. You ask the coaches, and then they are as sweet as sugar with them.

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So you just assume they are lying?

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So you just assume they are lying?
I normally assume they are pretending, not necessarily lying.

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So you just assume they are lying?
If I asked a priest why God is so wonderful, should I expect neutrality? Similarly, do you still leave cookies out for Santa Claus?

They tell you what they want you to hear. Case in point: the OP of the thread has spent countless posts ripping the beat writers in this town for supposedly not doing their jobs right. Magically, one of them writes a piece about his favorite player on the team, knowing he agreed with everything said in it before he read it (based on the title of the piece). And runs to HF to hail all praises.

You're always going to agree with someone if they keep telling you what you want to hear. Writers who don't are branded as idiots. I'm sure Paul Holmgren said the same thing when he went to the ends of the earth proclaiming Randy Jones as the second-coming when he put up a 31-point season, while a group of lowly internet message boarders correctly predicted that everyone was going to get screwed.


And for beat-writers it fluffs out their article instead of rattling off numbers that one could only understand through their own research.


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Yes but you have no evidence to indicate the coach is not being truthful, so you are speculating at best.

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Yes but you have no evidence to indicate the coach is not being truthful, so you are speculating at best.
Why would do anything other than tow the company line?

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Carle had a major brain fart with the cross ice pass last game, but otherwise did really well with syvret as his partner. Coburn has had the luxury of playing with Kimmo all year, yet Carle has been better than Coburn on many statistical levels with the revolving door of Mez, Walker, Pronger, Gus and Syvret as his partner.
I think that Carle has done a lot better defensively this year. He still has a few wtf-moments like that cross-ice pass, and he'll never be an absolute stud defensively, but he's significantly better positionally and I think he's faster this year as well.

Now, if only he'd be a little better on the pp...

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He's better this year, aside from occasionally jaw-dropping turnovers

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Yes but you have no evidence to indicate the coach is not being truthful, so you are speculating at best.
You have no evidence he is be truthful, aside from a painfully biased opinion on Carle.

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Whatever bias I may have isn't relevant to what we are talking about here- which is the conventional wisdom that coaches are predisposed to lying to media if it's expedient.

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