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04-20-2011, 08:00 PM
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Habs 95/96 season

I was wondering today about the 1995/1996 Habs season.
If Patrick Roy had not quit on his team, would/could the Canadiens have gone on to win the cup that season?

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I was wondering today about the 1995/1996 Habs season.
If Patrick Roy had not quit on his team, would/could the Canadiens have gone on to win the cup that season?
Are you trolling or serial?

Replace the bolded with ''If the Tremblay/Houle tandem wasn't so retarded'' and you have a much more logic discussion.

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Are you trolling or serial?

Replace the bolded with ''If the Tremblay/Houle tandem wasn't so retarded'' and you have a much more logic discussion.
TBH, everyone has their own opinion about it. Some people think both parties were stupid.

But yeah, I don't think they would, but then again.. we will never know.

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Are you trolling or serial?

Replace the bolded with ''If the Tremblay/Houle tandem wasn't so retarded'' and you have a much more logic discussion.
Nobody won that war of egos. Houle had little to do with it. It was all Tremblay/Roy. He was an Av before the sun came up the next day.

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IIRC, we even had a medical professional who played forward. Oh and I don't mean Turgeon the Surgeon.

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Nobody won that war of egos. Houle had little to do with it. It was all Tremblay/Roy. He was an Av before the sun came up the next day.
For the Roy issue specifically, yeah, its all Tremblay/Roy. I blame Houle for the million stupid trades.

We could have had a potentially great team in the late 1990s. If only they would have been more patient..

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IIRC, we even had a medical professional who played forward. Oh and I don't mean Turgeon the Surgeon.
Substract Dr. Recchi and add Leclair + Desjardins. What a team it could have been! Especially with a breaking out Koivu the following year. Oh yeah and move Damphousse to wing instead of trading him for picks that ended up being Thinel and friggin Marcel Hossa and also keep Turgeon (common sense dictates he shouldn't have been captain tho).

Voila, cup contender. Plenty of other moves to discuss too.

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That was the very 1st year i watched the Habs. Pierre Turgeon has always been my favorite player since that year, 96 points if i remember correctly. That was also the last season before the Saku Koivu obssession and the Réjan Houle destruction plan.

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they should have sit down roy and try to fix somthing out
we should have traded roy for brodeur

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That was the very 1st year i watched the Habs. Pierre Turgeon has always been my favorite player since that year, 96 points if i remember correctly. That was also the last season before the Saku Koivu obssession and the Réjan Houle destruction plan.
Explain bolded part ?

If you're just another idiot Koivu hater who just likes to blame Koivu for everything don't bother though.

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they should have sit down roy and try to fix somthing out
we should have traded roy for brodeur
Wishful thinking, but I think that ship had sailed by that time. Unfortunate.

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Explain bolded part ?

If you're just another idiot Koivu hater who just likes to blame Koivu for everything don't bother though.
My perception on Koivu is very distant form the general opinion on Saku Koivu the player. I'm not a Saku Koivu hater, i'm a Habs management hater who tried sooo hard to make Koivu something he was not.

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My perception on Koivu is very distant form the general opinion on Saku Koivu the player.
I don't know what that means.

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I'm not a Saku Koivu hater, i'm a Habs management hater who tried sooo hard to make Koivu something he was not.
What does that mean?

And what did the habs management do that makes you say that they "tried sooo hard to make Koivu something he was not" ?

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My perception on Koivu is very distant form the general opinion on Saku Koivu the player. I'm not a Saku Koivu hater, i'm a Habs management hater who tried sooo hard to make Koivu something he was not.

Koivu was a leader long before Habs management decided to make him captain. He was the captain of the finnish national team.




Also, little known fact, Josh Gorges was captain of the Kelowna Rockets.

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I think what the Habs tried to do so hard was to make Koivu a franchise player and/or a first line center, which never really happened.

Of course, they never gave him wingers either.

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That was the very 1st year i watched the Habs. Pierre Turgeon has always been my favorite player since that year, 96 points if i remember correctly. That was also the last season before the Saku Koivu obssession and the Réjan Houle destruction plan.
I wonder when we'll have a player hit over 90 points again.

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I think what the Habs tried to do so hard was to make Koivu a franchise player and/or a first line center, which never really happened.

Of course, they never gave him wingers either.
More like they failed at getting anybody to help him out therefore he was by default the franchise player and deservedly the captain. Kovalev was the first legit move.

oh wait..sorry to interrupt thread, but Milbury just spoke (i.e. said something stupid) on HNIC "can we please not call this 40 minutes..."
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update: he has laughs with brickly and edwards
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I think what the Habs tried to do so hard was to make Koivu a franchise player and/or a first line center, which never really happened.

Of course, they never gave him wingers either.
That doesn't make much sense.

Regardless of what people think of Koivu as a player and captain, having Koivu on the team didn't prevent the habs from adding another center, nor did it prevent the habs from adding more leadership.

To say the habs tried to make "koivu into something he wasn't" and to say there was a "Koivu obsession" is silly. It's not like there ever were an option to let Koivu go, and suddenly acquire two centers that were better than Koivu.

Those teams were horrible, and Koivu was never the problem. It's the fact we didn't have any players better than Koivu that was the problem.

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Koivu was a leader long before Habs management decided to make him captain. He was the captain of the finnish national team.
Anyway, the habs management didn't make him captain, the players at the time voted him captain.

But enough derailing of this thread...


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Koivu was a leader long before Habs management decided to make him captain. He was the captain of the finnish national team.




Also, little known fact, Josh Gorges was captain of the Kelowna Rockets.
Let's not spread lies

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Also, little known fact, Josh Gorges was captain of the Kelowna Rockets.
Link please.

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they should have sit down roy and try to fix somthing out
we should have traded roy for brodeur
Wasn't their a trade on the table that would have brought Yzerman to the Habs in a Roy deal? I guess Houle couldn't resist Jocelyn Thibault

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Roy trade was a disaster!

And in my opinion, with Roy on a roster and the team going to the playoffs, there was always a chance to go all the way and win the Stanley Cup.

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just throwing it out there... Tremblay was an idiot for what he did, but Roy was just as stupid for quitting on the team. People who defend his decision defend him cause he's a legend. He was just as much at fault for leaving. For god sakes suck it up!

As for the koivu thing... he could have been a first line center if he had the wingers. He was in the top 5 in scoring in the 96-97 year until he got that serious injury. Was never as fast (But still fast). I believe his wingers went from Bulis and Zednik to Higgins and Ryder lol with scrubs in between. Never really gave him first line wingers to play with.

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I was wondering today about the 1995/1996 Habs season.
If Patrick Roy had not quit on his team, would/could the Canadiens have gone on to win the cup that season?

With Patrick Roy in net....anything is possible!!!

Thats why he's the greatest goalie to ever play the game. Nobody was as clutch as he was in the playoffs...NOBODY!!

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I was wondering today about the 1995/1996 Habs season.
If Patrick Roy had not quit on his team, would/could the Canadiens have gone on to win the cup that season?
Where do you plan on finding the 1.21 gigawatts of electrical power, the flux capacitor requires to operate?

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Wasn't their a trade on the table that would have brought Yzerman to the Habs in a Roy deal? I guess Houle couldn't resist Jocelyn Thibault
Not exactly. The almost-completed trade in 1995 was to have been Roy to Colorado for Owen Nolan + Stephane Fiset. Serge Savard told the Gazette many years later he was going to do it because the team started so poorly and he knew it had no chemistry. Savard got fired by Roland Corey before he pulled the trigger, though.

Yzerman, I'm not so sure about. It is possible that this was rumoured; if so, then it would have been in 1994, when the Wings talked with Ottawa about trading him for the #1 pick (which everyone knew was to to be Alexandre Daigle). Scotty Bowman later said it was just to give Yzerman some pressure, but you never know.

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