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04-23-2011, 04:55 PM
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Keep your Guts & Heart, I'll take skill any day.

Don't want to start a war, but enough with 4 3rd lines already.


Watching our plumbers playing their hearts out to no avail was not satisfying. To those of you who are pining to get rid of Gaborik, Wolski and Christiansen I say you're doomed to never seeing us win a Cup. I realize these three did not deliver, but relying on Boyle, Prust and Captain Valium to carry you is a recipe for disaster.

Heart and Guts is good, skill trumps both.

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Watching our plumbers playing their hearts out to no avail was not satisfying. To those of you who are pining to get rid of Gaborik, Wolski and Christiansen I say you're doomed to never seeing us win a Cup. I realize these three did not deliver, but relying on Boyle, Prust and Captain Valium to carry you is a recipe for disaster.

Heart and Guts is good, skill trumps both.

Flame away!

Gaborik I can understand, but those two....

Skilled? Yes

Streaky? Oh **** yeah.

Rangers don't need those type of players.

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Don't want to start a war, but enough with 4 3rd lines already.


Watching our plumbers playing their hearts out to no avail was not satisfying. To those of you who are pining to get rid of Gaborik, Wolski and Christiansen I say you're doomed to never seeing us win a Cup. I realize these three did not deliver, but relying on Boyle, Prust and Captain Valium to carry you is a recipe for disaster.

Heart and Guts is good, skill trumps both.

Flame away!
To anybody with a clue it is obvious that the problem is 80% the coaching staff 20% personnel.

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Don't want to start a war, but enough with 4 3rd lines already.


Watching our plumbers playing their hearts out to no avail was not satisfying. To those of you who are pining to get rid of Gaborik, Wolski and Christiansen I say you're doomed to never seeing us win a Cup. I realize these three did not deliver, but relying on Boyle, Prust and Captain Valium to carry you is a recipe for disaster.

Heart and Guts is good, skill trumps both.

Flame away!
Work beats talent, when talent doesnt work.

I agree we need more skill, but we have the best bottom 6 in the league.

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04-23-2011, 05:01 PM
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You need both. Alot of skilled teams that can't get over the hump would love to have our grit, so that grit is a big positive. We just have to improve the skill half now. That being said, I'd rather not keep going after big free agents. All the Cups lately are being lifted by homegrown kids. We need to find our own, and if it takes awhile then so be it.

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You need both, and this team is a skilled line away from being great.

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we have the best bottom 6 in the league.
And one of the best goalies. We see what that got us: out in the first round in five games.

The team needs talent. And more than just a Brad Richards who will be 32 in next year's playoffs.

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To anybody with a clue it is obvious that the problem is 80% the coaching staff 20% personnel.
I agree with you. Add the ownership and the GM.

I like this Ranger team, but they got rid of all their players capable of gaining the zones, which is why they have to dump and chase. But they don't have the personnel for that style.

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In my humble opinion, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You couldn't possibly be a poorer evaluator of talent.
I've said that about him before and <gasp> got on his ignore list.

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As cliched as it is, Guts and Heart are better. Last thing I want is a team of Zherdevs.

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There's a big difference between inconsistent "skill" players like Wolski and Christensen and skilled players like Kane, Zetterberg, and Hossa, all of whom have won cups.

We rely on players like Wolski and Christensen to win us a cup, we are in gigantic trouble. Those aren't the type of skilled players that this team needs.

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To anybody with a clue it is obvious that the problem is 80% the coaching staff 20% personnel.
Torts is the best coach we have had since I've been a fan (97).

Firing him would be a huge step back.

Baby steps. Did you really believe we are a great team?

Add some offense, get creative in a trade (prospects for a young forward as oposed to blowing our load on Richards)

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It's not that the way we play is wrong, or the way they play is right, it's the teams that can find a middle ground that are reaaly successful. You have to tip your hat to the Capitals, there are a highly skilled team, but basically aal those highly skilled players equal the work ethic of their grinders.

That being said, it's obvious we need some more skill in ordr for us to get to the next level (Brad Richards)

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And one of the best goalies. We see what that got us: out in the first round in five games.

The team needs talent. And more than just a Brad Richards who will be 32 in next year's playoffs.
Yeah, being past 30 really stopped Pavel Datsyuk from being one of the best in the game.

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Don't want to start a war, but enough with 4 3rd lines already.


Watching our plumbers playing their hearts out to no avail was not satisfying. To those of you who are pining to get rid of Gaborik, Wolski and Christiansen I say you're doomed to never seeing us win a Cup. I realize these three did not deliver, but relying on Boyle, Prust and Captain Valium to carry you is a recipe for disaster.

Heart and Guts is good, skill trumps both.

Flame away!
if you're idea of talent is christensen and wolski, then we may never see a cup. Sather needs to work some magic in the offseason and bring some scoring power. Real scoring power, not retreads...

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There's a big difference between inconsistent "skill" players like Wolski and Christensen and skilled players like Kane, Zetterberg, and Hossa, all of whom have won cups.

We rely on players like Wolski and Christensen to win us a cup, we are in gigantic trouble. Those aren't the type of skilled players that this team needs.
I totally agree, but, two problems:

1) we backed into the playoffs. The Canes win we're watching.

2) finishing 14th - 16th EVERY year guarantees we won't get a Kane, or Hossa. Maybe a Zetterberg if we're Hank lucky again.

The "style" the coach preaches is not conducive to a long run because your players are gassed ad banged up given their style of play. During the Renney "five in the picture" days we regularly led the league in least man games lost to injuries.

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So who has more skill? Gaborik or Callahan? Obvious choice is Gaborik. Who would I rather have on my team? The more skilled player or the one one who busts his ass and lays it on the line each and every shift? The choice is easy.

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Yeah, being past 30 really stopped Pavel Datsyuk from being one of the best in the game.
Sure. And it didn't stop Jagr either. That's not the point. The point is that Richards will not be enough - this team is too short on overall talent - and Richards is heading into his down years just as Jagr was when he got us into the second round of the playoffs for two consecutive years. In the end, what did that Jagr get us? Two second round exits.

I'm sorry all this upsets you.

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if you're idea of talent is christensen and wolski, then we may never see a cup. Sather needs to work some magic in the offseason and bring some scoring power. Real scoring power, not retreads...
I was referring to the Ranger roster. IMO they are among the better skilled players on the Rangers. Which is not saying much, I know.

He brought in Gabby who some will gladly throw under the bus for a lackluster season. What we need is a playmaker to get him the puck in scoring position, which we lack.

And I do not want another $7mm 5 year contract, so no thanks to Richards.

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Sure. And it didn't stop Jagr either. That's not the point. The point is that Richards will not be enough - this team is too short on overall talent - and Richards is heading into his down years just as Jagr was when he got us into the second round of the playoffs for two consecutive years. In the end, what did that Jagr get us? Two second round exits.

I'm sorry all this upsets you.
This

We're getting there talent wise (farm). But short of bottoming out, we're going to have to use some chips to get the stud in the middle. No need to hitch you're wagon to a fading star.

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Work beats talent, when talent doesnt work.

I agree we need more skill, but we have the best bottom 6 in the league.
if our bottom 3 look like this next season:

Dubi - AA - Cally
Kreider - Stepan - Grachev
Hagelin - Boyle - Prust

I'll be happy

If our top line looks like this next season:

Fedotenko - Prospal - Gaborik

I'll kill myself.


If our top line looks like this next season:

Iginla - Richards - Gaborik

I'll look like Randy Marsh did when he finally got his internet back.

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So who has more skill? Gaborik or Callahan? Obvious choice is Gaborik. Who would I rather have on my team? The more skilled player or the one one who busts his ass and lays it on the line each and every shift? The choice is easy.
you need both to win in hockey. if this series doesn't illustrate that for you, nothing will. If this team had two more scorers and an actually Powerplay, we would have won this series with our work effort.

Regardless of how determined you are, a mazda will never outrace a mazaratti, regardless of how hard you put your foot to the pedal.

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Don't want to start a war, but enough with 4 3rd lines already.


Watching our plumbers playing their hearts out to no avail was not satisfying. To those of you who are pining to get rid of Gaborik, Wolski and Christiansen I say you're doomed to never seeing us win a Cup. I realize these three did not deliver, but relying on Boyle, Prust and Captain Valium to carry you is a recipe for disaster.

Heart and Guts is good, skill trumps both.

Flame away!
Gabs will stay, and not in favor of him leaving anyway

Wolski and Christiansen are neither heart and guts, nor skill. they're just garbage.

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I totally agree, but, two problems:

1) we backed into the playoffs. The Canes win we're watching.

2) finishing 14th - 16th EVERY year guarantees we won't get a Kane, or Hossa. Maybe a Zetterberg if we're Hank lucky again.

The "style" the coach preaches is not conducive to a long run because your players are gassed ad banged up given their style of play. During the Renney "five in the picture" days we regularly led the league in least man games lost to injuries.
backed into the playoffs? didnt the rangers win like 9 of their last 12 games or something?

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There's a big difference between inconsistent "skill" players like Wolski and Christensen and skilled players like Kane, Zetterberg, and Hossa, all of whom have won cups.

We rely on players like Wolski and Christensen to win us a cup, we are in gigantic trouble. Those aren't the type of skilled players that this team needs.
Exactly. Bolded part times a million. Any team will fail in the playoffs if they're forced to rely on players like that. They're not legit offensive leaders. Just cheap imitations of the real thing. You can't compare them to Ovechkin, Backstrom and Semin. The Capitals brought the talent and the hard work this series. You know, just the winning playoff formula since the beginning.

With the roster they iced today and all season, the Rangers put all their eggs in one basket with only one proven NHL offensive star in Gaborik, and he was innefective. Maybe Stepan is on his way, like Pierre suggested. Or maybe it's Kreider. Moving Gomez was a move that had to be made and it has helped the team. Now it's time to do something about the fact that a talent-starved team is paying Drury millions that could be going to someone who can actually produce offense.

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