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04-23-2011, 11:04 PM
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Oh, and another suggestion: Shane Doan. If Phoenix moves, he's made it publically clear he does not want to go to Winnipeg. I would love him on a line with Gaborik and Richards, and he's on a really solid contract. It actually is a perfect fit.
Doan is one of the guys i thought of too...him, Iginla if you can pry him out, and id just about give up the farm for Rick Nash. Id seriously make everyone available to get him here.

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Shane Doan is 34, while still playing good hockey if theres another Drury scenario playing out it's this one.

If he does remain status quo he'd look great with Gabby and Richards, but I wouldn't give up much for DOAN. He's 34.

Doan is something that should have been done 5 years ago while handing him the captaincy. Not now.

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I'd give up Kreider in a package for either Doan or Nash...Iginla kinda scares me, though, with his age and style of play. I think he could really start declining soon, although he had a very good year.

And I think Nash could work, although I highly question his intensity. If you don't like Gaborik in big games, Nash does the same, at times.

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04-23-2011, 11:07 PM
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This is courtesy of Vitto from the other thread. Assuming a Drury buyout:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($3.500m) / Brad Richards ($6.500m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.500m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.662m) / Brian Boyle ($1.500m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
/ Chris Drury ($3.333m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Pavel Valentenko ($0.800m)
/ Matt Gilroy ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,495,500; BONUSES: $1,487,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $904,500



Removing Avery and Wolski frees up ~5M alone. Replace Avery with another rookie at ~800k and we have a little over 4M in space to acquire another winger. Frankly, it might not even be worth it because how much of an upgrade would it be over Wolski at 3.8M? We need to find a top end talent winger for more than 5M+ to make it worth it. Go big or go home.

An Oilers fan proposed Hemsky for Anisimov + pick.

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04-23-2011, 11:08 PM
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Doan has said if the 'Yotes leave Phoenix he does not want to be a part of the franchise. He's got a list of teams he'd report to, there's I believe 14-15 of them. If the Rangers are one of them, Sather will make an offer before the draft. However, trading for Doan does take Richards out of the plans essentially.

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Another player that might become available is Heatley, if SJ fizzles out in the playoffs again...

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FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($3.500m) / Brad Richards ($6.500m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.000m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.800m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.500m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
/ Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.250m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Pavel Valentenko ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,750,000; BONUSES: $1,487,500
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $6,649,999


For this to happen, Boogaard needs to be buried/retired, Christensen needs to be buried, and Wolski needs to be traded/bought out. Buyout for Wolski included, we have 6m to add another top line player, this is keeping Drury at full contract for next year aswell.

This also puts us with an even younger blueline than we had this season though. The cap also needs to go up to 62.4m for this to work, I think that's what it is reported as going up to correct?

Edit** I forgot Boyle... So Boyle @ 1.5 could even replace Avery, or Drury in the even that he's dealt with.

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04-23-2011, 11:09 PM
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Shane Doan is 34, while still playing good hockey if theres another Drury scenario playing out it's this one.

If he does remain status quo he'd look great with Gabby and Richards, but I wouldn't give up much for DOAN. He's 34.

Doan is something that should have been done 5 years ago while handing him the captaincy. Not now.
I would not be happy with including Kreider or Thomas for Doan,

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Shane Doan is 34, while still playing good hockey if theres another Drury scenario playing out it's this one.

If he does remain status quo he'd look great with Gabby and Richards, but I wouldn't give up much for DOAN. He's 34.

Doan is something that should have been done 5 years ago while handing him the captaincy. Not now.
It's not a Drury situation because he's got 1 year left on a contract (4.5m). A 35 y/o FA isn't getting a long, expensive contract.

It would be a gamble, but it wouldn't be a Drury situation

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Doan has said if the 'Yotes leave Phoenix he does not want to be a part of the franchise. He's got a list of teams he'd report to, there's I believe 14-15 of them. If the Rangers are one of them, Sather will make an offer before the draft. However, trading for Doan does take Richards out of the plans essentially.
Not necessarily. I have no clue how the cap would work but Sather is very shrewd at these things. Most of the time when Sather makes a trade, it's for a player nobody saw coming. It wouldn't surprise me if we traded for a player no one knew was available and still somehow managed to sign Richards.

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I'd give up Kreider in a package for either Doan or Nash...Iginla kinda scares me, though, with his age and style of play. I think he could really start declining soon, although he had a very good year.

And I think Nash could work, although I highly question his intensity. If you don't like Gaborik in big games, Nash does the same, at times.
You'd give up Kreider for what may be 1 year of Doan? Nash no doubt, but certainly not for Doan.

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Another player that might become available is Heatley, if SJ fizzles out in the playoffs again...
No thanks, he's pretty much just a shooting specialist at this point, nearly useless unless Thornton is making picture perfect passes to him.

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Another player that might become available is Heatley, if SJ fizzles out in the playoffs again...
Heatley will probably require a 1st rounder, but in a weak draft, I'm fine with that.

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I'd give up Kreider in a package for either Doan or Nash...Iginla kinda scares me, though, with his age and style of play. I think he could really start declining soon, although he had a very good year.

And I think Nash could work, although I highly question his intensity. If you don't like Gaborik in big games, Nash does the same, at times.
Iginla is younger than Doan. The only guy I trade Kreider for is Nash.

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We need a capologist to run the numbers. I know we can fit Richards in but what other contracts would have to be moved out to acquire (trade) another 5M+ top line player? We're honestly running out of albatross contracts, aside from Drury obviously.
That would be very very hard to do. Fitting in Richards is hard enough.

We basically would have to hope something is done with Redden, Drury, Wolski, Avery, and Boogaard. Prospal and Fedotenko wouldn't be able to fit either.

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They need to get a goal scorer or Stepan, he should be the set-up man in his line, not the finisher

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You'd give up Kreider for what may be 1 year of Doan? Nash no doubt, but certainly not for Doan.
That's my mistake, I though Doan was 2-3 years younger.

I wouldn't WILLINGLY give up Kreider, but if we did, I wouldn't be fuming.

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It's not a Drury situation because he's got 1 year left on a contract (4.5m). A 35 y/o FA isn't getting a long, expensive contract.

It would be a gamble, but it wouldn't be a Drury situation
It would be a Drury scenario if he comes, doesn't produce, and doesn't resign. That would be awful considering what we may end up trading to get him.

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Shane Doan is 34, while still playing good hockey if theres another Drury scenario playing out it's this one.

If he does remain status quo he'd look great with Gabby and Richards, but I wouldn't give up much for DOAN. He's 34.

Doan is something that should have been done 5 years ago while handing him the captaincy. Not now.

4.35 cap hit for 2 more years. That's pretty good, only 500 K more than Wolski. It's the Yotes asking price that scares me.


EDIT: 1 more year for Doan.

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4.35 cap hit for 2 more years. That's pretty good, only 500 K more than Wolski. It's the Yotes asking price that scares me.
I'm not talking cap wise. I'm talking production wise.

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Iginla is younger than Doan. The only guy I trade Kreider for is Nash.
agreed Kreider only moves if Nash comes back, but is Nash even available? I read Columbus wants big changes but big as in moving Nash big??

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agreed Kreider only moves if Nash comes back, but is Nash even available? I read Columbus wants big changes but big as in moving Nash big??
Nash isn't going anywhere.

That's the face of their franchise, he's locked into a reasonable deal, why would CBJ do that?

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Stepan/Anisimov, Kreider, MDZ, 1st for Nash.

But how do we find the cap room?

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Iginla is younger than Doan. The only guy I trade Kreider for is Nash.

Agree completely.

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Nash isn't going anywhere.

That's the face of their franchise, he's locked into a reasonable deal, why would CBJ do that?
I must admit, I laughed heartily.

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