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04-24-2011, 09:35 AM
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sure we play a strong defensive game but that is partly because we have to. aside from cammalleri and gionta we have no natural goal scorers. we are not a team that can outscore teams in high scoring games on a regular basis.

many here blame martin for his boring system but what choice does he have really? martin can only play the cards he is dealt.

markov 5.75
hamrlik 5.5
spacek 3.8
gill 2.2
wiz 3.4

and you ca imagine how much we are going to have to pay subban.

those are a lot of big tickets we are choosing NOT to spend on goal scorers.
Look at most NHL teams and their top 4 are probably making similar, but they probably aren't as old as ours. We invested too much into players over 35.

I'm more concerned on the money we have spent on the top 6.

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04-24-2011, 09:39 AM
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Look at most NHL teams and their top 4 are probably making similar, but they probably aren't as old as ours. We invested too much into players over 35.

I'm more concerned on the money we have spent on the top 6.
Spacek is the only one we invested money in 35 or over.

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04-24-2011, 09:44 AM
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Wiz*, Markov, Gorges, Subban - that's a pretty good Top-4. Limit Wiz's ES minutes (15ish/game) with some PP time and you're golden. Gorges, Subban, and Markov can all play ~21/game.

* I would probably take Christian Ehrhoff or Ian White over Wiz, but it would depend on the contract. I'm on the fence about Joni Pitkanen in long run, but I definitely wouldn't say no without consideration.

That leaves two spots open. You have Weber, who I'd personally dress quite a bit. The kid has gotten better and will only continue to do so. He's not going to improve with no ice-time.

For the last two spots these are my options;

* Steve Montador
* Jan Hejda
* Jonathan Ericsson
* Scott Hannan

Veteran-wise (The player that Weber would have to win a spot from).

* Roman Hamrlik
* Hal Gill
* Ruslan Salei
* Ed Jovanovski
* Eric Brewer

Going into the year with;

Markov ($5M) - Wiz ($3.5M)
Hannan ($4M) - Subban ($875K)
Gorges ($1.1M) - Weber ($800K)*
TOTAL: $15.275 (+$2.5M for possible veteran)

Would be decent. Weber could be replaced by another guy on that list if need be. Signing a depth guy like Mara or Sopel (or even keeping Spacek, yuck) would be okay for the #7 if we decide to go with Weber. Getting a guy like Brewer or Hejda would probably let Gorges slide up to pair with Markov as well.

Hannan would probably run us $12M over 3-years. I'm okay with that.

I wouldn't want to go over $2.5M for anyone remaning on that list with the exception of Jonathan Ericsson, who I'd probably pay a pretty penny for - he'd probably be my #1 target. He'd likely take the place of Wiz though. If anyone else was willing to take that amount, I'd probably do it incase Weber craps the bed, but only on a 1-year contract.


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04-24-2011, 09:46 AM
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Spacek is the only one we invested money in 35 or over.
I know, I mean leading into those years too. We invested too long into players like Hamrlik.

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04-24-2011, 09:50 AM
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Wiz*, Markov, Gorges, Subban - that's a pretty good Top-4. Limit Wiz's ES minutes (15ish/game) with some PP time and you're golden. Gorges, Subban, and Markov can all play ~21/game.

* I would probably take Christian Ehrhoff or Ian White over Wiz, but it would depend on the contract. I'm on the fence about Joni Pitkanen in long run, but I definitely wouldn't say no without consideration.

That leaves two spots open. You have Weber, who I'd personally dress quite a bit. The kid has gotten better and will only continue to do so. He's not going to improve with no ice-time.

For the last two spots these are my options;

* Steve Montador
* Jan Hejda
* Jonathan Ericsson
* Scott Hannan

Veteran-wise (The player that Weber would have to win a spot from).

* Roman Hamrlik
* Hal Gill
* Ruslan Salei
* Ed Jovanovski
* Eric Brewer

Going into the year with;

Markov - Wiz
Hannan - Subban
Gorges - Weber*

Would be decent. Weber could be replaced by another guy on that list if need be. Signing a depth guy like Mara or Sopel (or even keeping Spacek, yuck) would be okay for the #7 if we decide to go with Weber. Getting a guy like Brewer or Hejda would probably let Gorges slide up to pair with Markov as well.

Hannan would probably run us $12M over 3-years. I'm okay with that.

I wouldn't want to go over $2.5M for anyone remaning on that list with the exception of Jonathan Ericsson, who I'd probably pay a pretty penny for. If anyone else was willing to take that, I'd probably do incase Weber ***** the bed.
Scott Hannan, no thanks. His game has steadily deteriorated and he is another player we would have to sign long term on the wrong side of 30.

Habs may have to trade for some D help, as the UFA options aren't the best and it doesn't look like Weber is a part of the plan moving forward.

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04-24-2011, 09:56 AM
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Scott Hannan, no thanks. His game has steadily deteriorated and he is another player we would have to sign long term on the wrong side of 30.

Habs may have to trade for some D help, as the UFA options aren't the best and it doesn't look like Weber is a part of the plan moving forward.
I don't see how you can say Weber isn't part of the plan. He's young - doesn't mean he won't earn the spot. Not everyone gets into the lineup right away.

As far as Hannan goes? I've seen enough of him to know that I still think he has it. I'd say over 90% of Capitals fans think he does too since most want him back at the expense of other signed guys (including Schultz).


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Our drafting of defense has been HORRIBLE the last few years. P.K is a star,but who else have we got ? Weber is unproven,5'9 and can't crack this crappy defense line-up. There is nothing to talk about in Hamilton,and Tinordi is a project,who we really need to be a top 4
NHL D Habs have drafted with year in brackets:

Ryan McDonagh (2007)
PK Subban (2007)
Yannick Weber (2007)
Mark Streit (2004)
Ryan O'Byrne (2003)
Mike Komisarek (2001)
Ron Hainsey (2000)
Matt Carkner (1999)
Francois Beauchemin (1998)
Andrei Markov (1998)
Brett Clark (1996)
Stephane Robidas (1995)

Not the greatest but far from terrible. They just don't keep them. Wouldn't be surprised to see Weber traded this summer as well.

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04-24-2011, 10:22 AM
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NHL D Habs have drafted with year in brackets:

Ryan McDonagh (2007)
PK Subban (2007)
Yannick Weber (2007)
Mark Streit (2004)
Ryan O'Byrne (2003)
Mike Komisarek (2001)
Ron Hainsey (2000)
Matt Carkner (1999)
Francois Beauchemin (1998)
Andrei Markov (1998)
Brett Clark (1996)
Stephane Robidas (1995)

Not the greatest but far from terrible. They just don't keep them. Wouldn't be surprised to see Weber traded this summer as well.
There are 4 top pairing defenseman in there (Markov, Subban, Robidas, Streit).

We can't comment really on Weber/McDonagh yet.

That's a pretty decent list. I doubt most teams can contend with 4-top pairing guys (technicaly #1 guys on their teams) in just 12-years.

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04-24-2011, 11:33 AM
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There are 4 top pairing defenseman in there (Markov, Subban, Robidas, Streit).

We can't comment really on Weber/McDonagh yet.

That's a pretty decent list. I doubt most teams can contend with 4-top pairing guys (technicaly #1 guys on their teams) in just 12-years.
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Cammalleri is turning into Jason Blake. Guy pots 40 goals one season, cashes in and disappears the rest of his career.

I'd say a natural goal scorer is a guy that can consistently put up numbers.
Kovalchuk, Crosby, Ovy are a few examples of natural scorers imho.

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i don't know about "investing", but yes.

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But why do we keep getting the Sopel's and Mara's.Because the org. doesn't think there's anything better in the system. I think it was a huge mistake dumping O'Byrne,as it was plain that JM just didn't like him. He had all kinds of upside,and brought alot of what we're lacking on the back end.I thought that Carle was ok also,but again he's not in JM's plans
agreed on Obie ....a big cheap third pairing guy that we developed

Mcdonough can someone explain why he had to be part of the Gomez deal ?

I think he wanted out of the organization IMHO

we took on the bad contract why are we giving back a decent prospect

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If Molson really wants to ice a winning team, he should eat the Gomez contract, and send Scotty to Hamilton.
He could use that cap money, and the surplus from Hamerlich (retiring he says) to pay for a true goal scorer. (Who should also be taller than 5'7" and weigh more than an elephant).

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