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Do you want Brad Richards?

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Yes! He kills two birds with one stone. #1 center and PPQB. Plus he is an elite playmaker. 143 61.37%
No! He is 31 and injury prone and our FA history has not been very good. 28 12.02%
Not sure...maybe if it's for a 3-5 year deal but nothing more. 62 26.61%
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04-24-2011, 08:03 PM
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lmao.

people here are going to be pissed if/when we sign Richards. I can almost guarantee he won't sign for less than 5 yrs. and you all know how sather is in UFA.
You are almost assuredly right...but that doesn't mean we can't hope/prefer that he signs for 4 or 5 years. However, deep down I know that in the end it will likely be 6 years at 6.75 per.

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nice to see most of the fan base on board. As you can imagine I voted oh hell yea

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Yes. Depends on the terms and length however. Sign me up for say a 5 year deal. 7 or 8 year deal is a whole new story however.

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Yes. Depends on the terms and length however. Sign me up for say a 5 year deal. 7 or 8 year deal is a whole new story however.
Even year 4 and 5 could get ugly.

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well i would hope for a 5 year deal at a cap hit of hopefully around 6.5-7 mil at the most. If sather was able to sign him to an 8 year deal in which that cap hit comes down to 5.5ish i would do it. that would benefit the team in the long run if you really think about it as it gives us more money to build up our team.

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Hopefully he won't turn into Lindros and that concussion will be a one-time thing.

4-5 years max. 6 per would be amazing. Dude has 90+ pts last two years, Conn Smythe, reteaming with Torts, PP quarterback.

I mean really if there is no overpayment I don't see a reason not to sign this man.

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Umm, how many 90 pt Conn Smythe winning centers are available in this year's free agent pool? We desperately need him, length of contract and injury concerns be damned.

Yes, please.

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I think the bigger question is will Richards and Gaborik mesh?
Frankly, it's not the worst thing if they don't. Richards is the type of player that makes others around him better. If he doesn't work with Gaborik we put him between Callahan and Dubinsky and watch them put up 30-35 goals each. We'll get good production out or Richards regardless of who he plays with.

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Umm, how many 90 pt Conn Smythe winning centers are available in this year's free agent pool? We desperately need him, length of contract and injury concerns be damned.

Yes, please.


Thats the kind of thinking that gets you in trouble. Say Richards gets a 7 year deal worth 7 mill per. When he's 37/38 do you honestly think he'll be putting up 90 points a year?

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Hopefully he won't turn into Lindros and that concussion will be a one-time thing.

4-5 years max. 6 per would be amazing. Dude has 90+ pts last two years, Conn Smythe, reteaming with Torts, PP quarterback.

I mean really if there is no overpayment I don't see a reason not to sign this man.
Lindros and Richards are completely different....

Lindros' concussions was a family thing, just look at his brother Brett.

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To all the people that want him for less than 5 years:

What if we signed him for 8 years, the first 5 had a full NMC and the last 3 had a limited NTC, say he could block 8 teams. Would you guys do that? I could see Sather getting creative here, giving Richards the term he wants in exchange for us getting a way to unload his contract if need be.

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To all the people that want him for less than 5 years:

What if we signed him for 8 years, the first 5 had a full NMC and the last 3 had a limited NTC, say he could block 8 teams. Would you guys do that? I could see Sather getting creative here, giving Richards the term he wants in exchange for us getting a way to unload his contract if need be.
Maybe, but then you'd still have to find a taker for him, and unless Bob Gainey gets another job that could be tough.

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Thats the kind of thinking that gets you in trouble. Say Richards gets a 7 year deal worth 7 mill per. When he's 37/38 do you honestly think he'll be putting up 90 points a year?
When he's 37/38, the cap will probably 70+ million. $7 million for a ~70 point center would be bearable if so.

Also, just because he is signed for 7 years, doesn't mean he has to play all 7 here. If he declines even to a ~60 point center, and the contract is front-loaded, I think he would be very movable.

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To all the people that want him for less than 5 years:

What if we signed him for 8 years, the first 5 had a full NMC and the last 3 had a limited NTC, say he could block 8 teams. Would you guys do that? I could see Sather getting creative here, giving Richards the term he wants in exchange for us getting a way to unload his contract if need be.

Richards can command 7 mill per. Who will trade for a guy on decline when he's 37 or 38 and carrying a 7 mill cap hit?

Whats Gainey doing these days?

Anything more than 5 years is playing with fire IMO.

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To all the people that want him for less than 5 years:

What if we signed him for 8 years, the first 5 had a full NMC and the last 3 had a limited NTC, say he could block 8 teams. Would you guys do that? I could see Sather getting creative here, giving Richards the term he wants in exchange for us getting a way to unload his contract if need be.
$7m for 7 years would be my reasonable contract offter (preferably frontloaded and get the cap hit lower, say $6.5m, if possible, but I would be happy with that deal). People throwing around these low cap hit 4 and 5 year deals are simply being unrealistic.

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Richards can command 7 mill per. Who will trade for a guy on decline when he's 37 or 38 and carrying a 7 mill cap hit?

Whats Gainey doing these days?

Anything more than 5 years is playing with fire IMO.
There are plenty of teams that would trade for a ~60 point center with a $7m cap hit, but less actual money owed. That's why front-loading the deal and making sure it's not a NMC on the tail end are so important.

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Also, this precipitous decline after he hits the age of 35 isn't guaranteed, as some people would like us to believe.

There are plenty of players still performing very well after the age of 35. St. Louis is going to be 36 in a month, and put up 99 points this year. Selanne will be 41 in July, and put up 31g and 40 assists.

Granted, there's no guarantee that Richards doesn't decline, but the converse is also true.

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Hell yeah we gotta go after him. The cap is going up every year, and looks to go up by like 3-4 mil because of the TV deal. Gotta get top end talent when available, and by top end talent I do not mean Drury and Redden

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Thats the kind of thinking that gets you in trouble. Say Richards gets a 7 year deal worth 7 mill per. When he's 37/38 do you honestly think he'll be putting up 90 points a year?
no, but by that time the cap will be very high, and it really will not matter

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Frankly, it's not the worst thing if they don't. Richards is the type of player that makes others around him better. If he doesn't work with Gaborik we put him between Callahan and Dubinsky and watch them put up 30-35 goals each. We'll get good production out or Richards regardless of who he plays with.
You're reaching if you think both Dubinsky and Callahan get 30-35 goals. One of them may but not both. However, I agree in regards to Richards. He can be used in different areas if him and Gabby don't mesh. But the fact of having more talent to play with gabby remains...which is why you hope him and Gaborik work out.

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Richards can command 7 mill per. Who will trade for a guy on decline when he's 37 or 38 and carrying a 7 mill cap hit?

Whats Gainey doing these days?

Anything more than 5 years is playing with fire IMO.
this is likely BS but talked to a friend who knows a guy that trains with Richards and some other nhlers. He hears Richards only wants a short term deal.

That would surprise me as I figure this is his last big deal but if so it works in the Rangers favor

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I don't think that there's any question as to the answer tot he poll question.

The PP is atrocious and this PO series 8 goals in total pretty much bear it out that we need a presence such as Richards.

This is an easy slam dunk yes.

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this is likely BS but talked to a friend who knows some guys that train with Richards and some other nhlers. He hears Richards only wants a short term deal.

That would surprise me as I figure this is his last big deal but if so it works in the Rangers favor
Does sound dubious, but I'd sure be glad to give him a 3 year 21M deal if that's what he's looking for.

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I'd rather give him 3/24 than 5/35. Not sure how well that'd fit or if it's feasible but I think the less years, the better. You want to sign 24 year olds to long contracts, not 30 year olds.

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Thats the kind of thinking that gets you in trouble. Say Richards gets a 7 year deal worth 7 mill per. When he's 37/38 do you honestly think he'll be putting up 90 points a year?
If he helps get us a Cup before he's 37/38 do you care?

He's an amazing player, and a huge solution to one of our glaring problems.

And yes, he still will be producing at 37/38. (55-80 pts? not great but not terrible).

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