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04-24-2011, 07:13 PM
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No, he's entitled to the money.... How can he be deserving of it if he can't keep up and compete? Do you believe a player's responsibility to perform ends the day the contract is signed?



People he never met? We're talking about his image and reputation in professional hockey. Not some fans on a message board. You don't think these athletes pay any attention to their legacies and their images outside of what their friends & families think?



Doubtful considering he's already involved in running a business outside of hockey.
No, but he's still playing at 100% of current ability, maybe Slats should have negotiated some performance bonuses.

I don't think his 'legacy' or 'image' will be tarnished nearly as much as you seem to think. Or maybe he believes he can come back for one more big season to cement his legacy......

Does he run the business or just invest in it (legit question as I don't know all that much about it)?

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It's called pride and integrity.... He was signed and is currently compensated to be a difference maker for this team.... His body and hockey ability has declined to the degree that he's the equivalent of a marginal 4th liner. Do you think Drury feels deserving of the money he made this season or the money he's entitled to next season? A player's responsibility to perform does not begin and end the day he signs his contract. There is an expectation of performance... If your age & body prohibits you to perform anywhere close to that level of expectation, that's on the player....
i don't honestly believe that anybody in any job in this world is deserving of 7mil per year. if you put it in perspective, its not like he does a more important job than a nurse or a doctor or a teacher, etc.
that being said though, the fact remains that sather tied him to this contract and only a total fool would retire to "do the right thing" and in so doing, do himself out of money that he is quite entitled to. if he has lost his hunger for the game, then sure, by all means quit, but if not, then it'd be dumb to.

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It is flat out embarrassing to read that Drury *should* retire based upon some convoluted sense of dignity or pride or loyalty to the Rangers. Get that! Quitting and giving up because you have pride. People need to realize that the only people that look at cap hits and salaries are fans and GMs. The guys in the room? They couldn't give two squats how much Drury makes. At least if they're doing their job right. If Drury loves his team and his teammates and wants to come back and help them, THAT is pride. That is your loyalty. Not quitting because you've had some bad breaks and not "lived up to", the ridiculously inflated expectations that this albatross of a contract has saddled him and the team with. The pressure with a contract like this goes both ways. He gave the team 2 really strong years of around 60 points at the start of the contract and then regressed a bit last year and stayed injured the majority of this season.

How in this day and age has quitting become the honorable thing to do? That is the most confusing logic on this whole situation I have read. If you can't play exactly the same way or contribute in exactly the same as we signed you for on the day you inked your deal, the honorable thing to do is to walk away. Hardly.

I hope Chris Drury comes back next season, for the Rangers, and posts 40-50 points and makes the people begging him to retire eat a fat plate of crow.

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It is flat out embarrassing to read that Drury *should* retire based upon some convoluted sense of dignity or pride or loyalty to the Rangers. Get that! Quitting and giving up because you have pride. People need to realize that the only people that look at cap hits and salaries are fans and GMs. The guys in the room? They couldn't give two squats how much Drury makes. At least if they're doing their job right. If Drury loves his team and his teammates and wants to come back and help them, THAT is pride. That is your loyalty. Not quitting because you've had some bad breaks and not "lived up to", the ridiculously inflated expectations that this albatross of a contract has saddled him and the team with. The pressure with a contract like this goes both ways. He gave the team 2 really strong years of around 60 points at the start of the contract and then regressed a bit last year and stayed injured the majority of this season.

How in this day and age has quitting become the honorable thing to do? That is the most confusing logic on this whole situation I have read. If you can't play exactly the same way or contribute in exactly the same as we signed you for on the day you inked your deal, the honorable thing to do is to walk away. Hardly.

I hope Chris Drury comes back next season, for the Rangers, and posts 40-50 points and makes the people begging him to retire eat a fat plate of crow.
And what will that prove? That he is still not worth 7m a year.

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Drury's not going to retire and he's under no obligation to. If he's healthy than he should play. Ask him to waive his NTC and try to wiggle out of that contract somehow.

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It is flat out embarrassing to read that Drury *should* retire based upon some convoluted sense of dignity or pride or loyalty to the Rangers. Get that! Quitting and giving up because you have pride. People need to realize that the only people that look at cap hits and salaries are fans and GMs. The guys in the room? They couldn't give two squats how much Drury makes. At least if they're doing their job right. If Drury loves his team and his teammates and wants to come back and help them, THAT is pride. That is your loyalty. Not quitting because you've had some bad breaks and not "lived up to", the ridiculously inflated expectations that this albatross of a contract has saddled him and the team with. The pressure with a contract like this goes both ways. He gave the team 2 really strong years of around 60 points at the start of the contract and then regressed a bit last year and stayed injured the majority of this season.

How in this day and age has quitting become the honorable thing to do? That is the most confusing logic on this whole situation I have read. If you can't play exactly the same way or contribute in exactly the same as we signed you for on the day you inked your deal, the honorable thing to do is to walk away. Hardly.

I hope Chris Drury comes back next season, for the Rangers, and posts 40-50 points and makes the people begging him to retire eat a fat plate of crow.
This is the best post in this thread.

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And what will that prove? That he is still not worth 7m a year.
Congratulations, you have again made the point that no one is disputing.

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And what will that prove? That he is still not worth 7m a year.
He never was and never will be. Even at his absolute best he was never a $7 million a year player. The price it takes to sign a player on the free market is overpayment and in the case of Drury, it was an extreme case of filthy money for a player who was somewhat nondescript prior to being available to all 30 teams. You will get no dispute from me that it was a bad contract.... but a bad contract does not make a bad person or player. Nor does it mean that a player should walk away at the whim of the fans when they feel that he's no longer worthy of his salary. I am simply commenting on the idea that he is somehow honor bound to free up salary for the Rangers, forfeit $5 million, and quit playing the game he loves for the rest of his life simply because the Rangers fans want a shiny new toy to insert into the lineup as they've tired of this one. Is that fair to Chris Drury?

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'Conventional' thinking for what it's worth have the Rangers buying him out if he doesn't retire so if that proves to be case he's not going to put up any points for the Rangers--contract or not he doesn't have the upper hand if the Rangers decide he doesn't have a place on their team anymore. I'd rather Drury retire but at the same time if he wants to continue playing that's up to him. He has his right to do that but the Rangers also have the right to buy him out if they don't want to continue wasting cap space on him. If that's the way this scenario works out each is within their own rights choosing what they think is best.

Anyway 'conventional' thinking in this case is driven by the Rangers need to upgrade their team primarily on the offensive end of things--something that Chris has not been able to provide enough of in his 4 seasons here. Why would the Rangers give him the terminating year of his contract to finally make up their minds on whether he can turn the direction of his career around?--when his play particularly the last two seasons has been disappointing and injury plagued notwithstanding the fact that he'll be 35 next year and has difficulty keeping up with whoever his linemates are and has seemingly lost the confidence of his coach in offensive situations. Apparently there are some out here who still believe he is capable of scoring 50 points next year. I suppose it's possible but I'd put the likelihood of that (if I were giving odds) at less than 1%--and even if somehow he managed that--he's still not a $7 mil player.

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Congratulations, you have again made the point that no one is disputing.
Well he was saying that the people who are wishing for Drury to retire will "eat crow" if he scores 40 points. And the truth is, no, they won't.

I wasn't making that point as an isolated statement. I understand that it has been driven into the ground repeatedly by pretty much everyone on this message board.


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He can't already provide for his family with the 40-50 million dollars he's made in his career?
Exactly! If he hangs on for more money, he's just looking to set his family up 4 -5 generations in the future.

He's stolen enough money from the Rangers. He needs to be off the roster and the cap by any means necessary.

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It is flat out embarrassing to read that Drury *should* retire based upon some convoluted sense of dignity or pride or loyalty to the Rangers. Get that! Quitting and giving up because you have pride. People need to realize that the only people that look at cap hits and salaries are fans and GMs. The guys in the room? They couldn't give two squats how much Drury makes. At least if they're doing their job right. If Drury loves his team and his teammates and wants to come back and help them, THAT is pride. That is your loyalty. Not quitting because you've had some bad breaks and not "lived up to", the ridiculously inflated expectations that this albatross of a contract has saddled him and the team with. The pressure with a contract like this goes both ways. He gave the team 2 really strong years of around 60 points at the start of the contract and then regressed a bit last year and stayed injured the majority of this season.

How in this day and age has quitting become the honorable thing to do? That is the most confusing logic on this whole situation I have read. If you can't play exactly the same way or contribute in exactly the same as we signed you for on the day you inked your deal, the honorable thing to do is to walk away. Hardly.

I hope Chris Drury comes back next season, for the Rangers, and posts 40-50 points and makes the people begging him to retire eat a fat plate of crow.
Take away Drury's pre-Rangers legacy/reputation and his NMC, and he would be off this team just like every other player who performs way below the expectations of management & the coaching staff (forget about what the fans think). Hockey is a business, worrying about players' feelings is an afterthought. Did management worry about Scott Gomez's feelings when we traded him to Montreal for his questionable play just 2 years into his 7 year deal? What about Redden's feelings when we buried him in the minors for the remaining 4 years of his contract? Even if you consider Drury's pre-Rangers salary ($5 mil), he'd still be ridiculously overpaid even today for what he's capable of producing for us. Did everyone watch him closely this year? He's a step behind the play, doesn't really do anything with the puck on his stick when he's got it, and looks like a shell of the player he was his first 2 years with the Rangers... Let's not pretend that the only reason why Drury's being criticized is because of his contract... Look at how our head coach handles Drury... He plays him on the 4th line where his play dictates he should be playing.

Bottom line is that the guy doesn't deserve the "courtesy" of playing out the final year of his contract based solely on his reputation. The last 2 seasons have proven that Drury's game has rapidly deteriorated to the point where he's been relegated to minimal minutes on our 4th line. Take away the name tag on the back of the jersey and the No Movement Clause, and it's pretty obvious that any other player in his shoes would have been traded/waived by now.

Rangers will buy him out in June anyway or else they have zero chance at signing Richards and re-signing their key RFA's, so he won't even get the chance to make any nay-sayers eat crow next season, not that he would be capable of doing that anyway based on how his game has digressed over the last 2 seasons.

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Take away Drury's pre-Rangers legacy/reputation and his NMC, and he would be off this team just like every other player who performs way below the expectations of management & the coaching staff (forget about what the fans think). Hockey is a business, worrying about players' feelings is an afterthought. Did management worry about Scott Gomez's feelings when we traded him to Montreal for his questionable play just 2 years into his 7 year deal? What about Redden's feelings when we buried him in the minors for the remaining 4 years of his contract? Even if you consider Drury's pre-Rangers salary ($5 mil), he'd still be ridiculously overpaid even today for what he's capable of producing for us. Did everyone watch him closely this year? He's a step behind the play, doesn't really do anything with the puck on his stick when he's got it, and looks like a shell of the player he was his first 2 years with the Rangers... Let's not pretend that the only reason why Drury's being criticized is because of his contract... Look at how our head coach handles Drury... He plays him on the 4th line where his play dictates he should be playing.

Bottom line is that the guy doesn't deserve the "courtesy" of playing out the final year of his contract based solely on his reputation. The last 2 seasons have proven that Drury's game has rapidly deteriorated to the point where he's been relegated to minimal minutes on our 4th line. Take away the name tag on the back of the jersey and the No Movement Clause, and it's pretty obvious that any other player in his shoes would have been traded/waived by now.

Rangers will buy him out in June anyway or else they have zero chance at signing Richards and re-signing their key RFA's, so he won't even get the chance to make any nay-sayers eat crow next season, not that he would be capable of doing that anyway based on how his game has digressed over the last 2 seasons.
It's got nothing to do with the name and everything to do with NMC, which, like the rest of the woeful contract we can blame Slats for.

I fully endorse buying him out, it's the expectations that he owes it to the Rangers to retire that gets me...

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Drury is coming back at least through training camp and if he incapable to perform he will get sent to the Whale.
He is not going to retire, nor would I expect him to.

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I fully endorse buying him out
And he will be in June... Rangers cannot be in the Richards' sweepstakes and expect to re-sign their key RFA's if he's not....

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Drury is coming back at least through training camp and if he incapable to perform he will get sent to the Whale.
He is not going to retire, nor would I expect him to.
He cannot play for the Whale because he has a no movement clause that prohibits him from being traded or send to the AHL.

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Drury we love you, but you have to retire.

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He has no movement in his game. Send him out there. He wont make it 10 games into the season before he is injured.
Perhaps he will be motivated to get another contract. Shock the world and have a 50pt season.
He is not walking away from 7 mil.

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he's not retiring. we'll have to buy him out. even at the discounted $5M on a $7.05M cap hit - no team trying to play the cap basement game would want anything to do with him just for $2M in "savings." As a UFA I can see him some how signing a $1M deal with Buffalo; possibly as a replacement for Rob Neidermeyer.

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He wont retire...people want to protray him as this great leader...he only cares about the money...he will play again next year and take a spot that doesn't belong to him. Unless Sather buries him or buys him out...he wont walk away!
OK, you walk away from the sport you love AND give up $5million in the process before you go acting like it's just this easy, no-brainer decision

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Exactly! If he hangs on for more money, he's just looking to set his family up 4 -5 generations in the future.

He's stolen enough money from the Rangers. He needs to be off the roster and the cap by any means necessary.
It's hardly stealing when Sather and Dolan just hand it out

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Can Chris waive his NMC?

I'd rather waive that and go to the minors and make my last 5 mil than just outright retire. Is that possible?

Otherwise buy him out.

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Can Chris waive his NMC?

I'd rather waive that and go to the minors and make my last 5 mil than just outright retire. Is that possible?

Otherwise buy him out.
Even if he could, that wouldn't help us during the summer when we need the cap space. He's going to have to be bought out if he doesn't retire. We need the space on July 1st for Richards and the RFAs.

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CHRIS DRURY: The captain has one year at a $7.05 million cap hit remaining on his contract, a number that is not sustainable for a fourth-liner specializing in penalty killing and faceoffs. Drury was nailed to the bench for the final 13:15 of Saturday's 3-1 Game 5 elimination loss in Washington, during which he received a team-low 6:49 overall.

A buyout would save the Rangers $3,333,333 of cap space, but would cost the team $1,666,667 in space in 2012-13 as the CBA is currently constructed.

There is this, however: If Drury requires further knee surgery prior to the June 15-30 buyout period, the Rangers would be precluded from buying him out.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz1KWiXAO7O

More knee surgery?Just retire. More knee surgery? For what?

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OK, you walk away from the sport you love AND give up $5million in the process before you go acting like it's just this easy, no-brainer decision
Can Drury contribute next season? Drury wouldn't be the first player and won't be the last player who had to retire due to injuries.

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If this year can be counted as any indication Drury's days as a productive NHL'er are numbered if not over. Coming back mid-season from an injury he played 22 games and produced very little--between being benched, sat out and kept on the 4th line while AHL journeymen got the call on higher lines--I think it's safe to say that Tortorella doesn't want him back at least as a player. The playoffs were just further indication of that. Of all the forwards only Avery and Zuccarello got less ice time but even Avery (not dressed in the first game) averaged more per game. Drury was counted on mostly for faceoffs with some penalty killing. One might say that is a key function. One might also say if he weren't good on draws his on ice play would have been even more drastically reduced.

I don't know what there is really left to say. He makes a ton of money--takes up a significant part of our salary cap and didn't produce anything this year and Tortorella doesn't seem to want to play him very much or even sometimes--at all. Whether he can force the Rangers to keep him by going under the knife during the buyout period--what is that going to change when next year rolls around and he's our new Todd White?--maybe playing occasionally but mostly sitting in the stands. I don't think the Rangers will be inclined to give him more ice time if he takes away their option to buy him out. If he wants to continue as an NHL player I think he has to accept being bought out and look for another city to play in.

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As do most of you, I think that Drury's time as an NHL player is over. Age and injuries have taken their toll.
As do most of you, I hope that he either retires or that the Rangers buy him out.

But the venom directed against him by many on the boards is totally uncalled for. Leadership comes in many forms and the strong but silent type is a time-tested leadership method. You don't have to rant and yell to be a leader. I'd bet that, behind the scenes this year, Drury had a major and profound influence on our young leadership core. Cally, Dubi, Stepan (who I think I recall saying something about how important Drury was to him this year) and others, I'm sure have internalized much of what he told them.

Dru seems to have the total respect of both his fellow players and Torts. He seems to be a player with immense pride, In his situation, pride would lead some to retire. With others, that pride would lead them to return. I've always had admiration for players, in any sport, where they literally have to tear the uniform off of the player for him to quit.

Sure the Rangers would be best served by him either retiring or being bought out. I hope that happens. But if Dru decides to come back for one more year, more power to him. The hatred towards him is frankly disturbing.

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