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04-24-2011, 03:10 PM
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Isles & Flyers

To Phi: Evgeni Nabokov (you knew this was coming), NYI 3
To NYI: Scott Hartnell

Why Philly does it:
1) They need to solidify their goaltending, and don't have a lot of cap room. Nabokov could make a good tandem with Bobrovsky next season and comes cheap at $570,000.
2) They need to dump somebody. According to Capgeek, they are over $58M next season with 10 forwards, 6 dmen and 2 goalies. And that is without Leino, who is a UFA. Even if the cap goes up to $62M, they need to move somebody if they want to re-sign Leino.

Why New York does it:
1) Hartnell provides a lot. He scores 20+ goals a game, is physical and solid in all areas. He is also a vet with lots of playoff experience, something the Isles should be bringing in. He could provide protection for Tavares on the top line, or be a great example of how to play for Bailey and Comeau.
2) Although Hartnell's cap hit is $4.2M, he "only" makes $3.7 next year and $3.2 the year after. As the Isles aren't going to be spending to the cap anyway, this makes him more attractive to Wang.

Note: This assumes Hartnell and Nabokov agree to allow the trade.

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04-24-2011, 03:24 PM
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I don't think Philly would do this. Hartnell means a lot to that team. I think they'd rather let Leino walk and trade smaller-time players for borderline AHLers than give up Hartnell.

Besides, I think Nabokov will come much cheaper than this. (just my opinion)

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04-24-2011, 04:59 PM
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First off, I think that Nabby's value is contingent on how he does at the World Championships.

From the Isles, I'd definitely do this but I don't know if Philly would unless they're amazed by his play at the WC.

If they'd be willing to give up Leino and we could downgrade the pick I'd do that too.

Would they be wanting to give up Zherdev too (don't know what his contract situation is).

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The contract status of Nabby won't net you a Scott Hartnell. It might net you an impending UFA that they won't resign like Leino.

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04-24-2011, 05:21 PM
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Nabokov will not get the Islanders a roster player. More likely a team will trade a mid round draft pick or the Islanders use Nabokov to move up in the draft (something like with their 3rd round pick to get a 2nd rounder)

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04-24-2011, 05:25 PM
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Flyers fans want Nabakov who hasn't been to the Finals n has a history of caving behind some solid teams?

Khabby would be easier to acquire but cost more cap, tho he is a proven winner. He basically won the first Van Chi series singlehandedly.

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04-24-2011, 05:28 PM
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I think Leino just gave them a reason to keep him...

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I think Leino just gave them a reason to keep him...
He's probably still gone in the off season.

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He's probably still gone in the off season.

Leino definitely will not be the odd man out in the off-season.

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Anyone else but Hartnell, I hate that dirtbag. If we could get Carle or Leino for that I would do it.

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You're nuts if you think Nabokov gets you anything more than a 4th round draft pick.

No value whatsoever.

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He scores 20+ goals a game
We take this trade immediately

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You're nuts if you think Nabokov gets you anything more than a 4th round draft pick.

No value whatsoever.
With a salary of less then $600,000.I think he'll bring back a better pick then a 4th.

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With a salary of less then $600,000.I think he'll bring back a better pick then a 4th.
Good thing he also has an NMC, he can limit the teams he wants to go to and really stick it to you. Gagne did this to the Flyers last offseason and we ended up only getting a 4th and Matt Walker on a bad contract from the Lighting. You should be happy getting a 4th out of the deal for nothing more than a waiver claim.

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To Phi: Evgeni Nabokov (you knew this was coming), NYI 3
To NYI: Scott Hartnell

Why Philly does it:
1) They need to solidify their goaltending, and don't have a lot of cap room. Nabokov could make a good tandem with Bobrovsky next season and comes cheap at $570,000.
2) They need to dump somebody. According to Capgeek, they are over $58M next season with 10 forwards, 6 dmen and 2 goalies. And that is without Leino, who is a UFA. Even if the cap goes up to $62M, they need to move somebody if they want to re-sign Leino.

Why New York does it:
1) Hartnell provides a lot. He scores 20+ goals a game, is physical and solid in all areas. He is also a vet with lots of playoff experience, something the Isles should be bringing in. He could provide protection for Tavares on the top line, or be a great example of how to play for Bailey and Comeau.
2) Although Hartnell's cap hit is $4.2M, he "only" makes $3.7 next year and $3.2 the year after. As the Isles aren't going to be spending to the cap anyway, this makes him more attractive to Wang.

Note: This assumes Hartnell and Nabokov agree to allow the trade.


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Good thing he also has an NMC, he can limit the teams he wants to go to and really stick it to you. Gagne did this to the Flyers last offseason and we ended up only getting a 4th and Matt Walker on a bad contract from the Lighting. You should be happy getting a 4th out of the deal for nothing more than a waiver claim.
Gagne:30 yrs old and knowing he still had several more yrs of playing in the nhl ahead of him.Playing for a team he enjoyed playing for,in a city he enjoyed living in .If no trade went down,Gagne would not have been unhappy to remain a Flyer.

Nabokov:36 yrs old and has indicated he wants to play for a cup contender only at this point in his career.Contracted to play for a lottery team he doesn't want to play for,a team that has missed the playoffs 4 straight seasons.There are probably at least 20 other teams(if not more),that Nabokov would rather play for then the rebuilding NYI.At 36,Nabokov will not be trying to "limit the teams he wants to go to and really stick it to Snow and the Isles".He'll be praying Snow can make a deal and get him to a playoff team

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I would do it, but the Isles need to add a little. Maybe their second round draft pick?

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To Phi: Evgeni Nabokov (you knew this was coming), NYI 3
To NYI: Scott Hartnell

Why Philly does it:
1) They need to solidify their goaltending, and don't have a lot of cap room. Nabokov could make a good tandem with Bobrovsky next season and comes cheap at $570,000.
2) They need to dump somebody. According to Capgeek, they are over $58M next season with 10 forwards, 6 dmen and 2 goalies. And that is without Leino, who is a UFA. Even if the cap goes up to $62M, they need to move somebody if they want to re-sign Leino.

Why New York does it:
1) Hartnell provides a lot. He scores 20+ goals a game, is physical and solid in all areas. He is also a vet with lots of playoff experience, something the Isles should be bringing in. He could provide protection for Tavares on the top line, or be a great example of how to play for Bailey and Comeau.
2) Although Hartnell's cap hit is $4.2M, he "only" makes $3.7 next year and $3.2 the year after. As the Isles aren't going to be spending to the cap anyway, this makes him more attractive to Wang.

Note: This assumes Hartnell and Nabokov agree to allow the trade.
You realize you're trading Scott HARTNELL, not Scott GLENNIE right?

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04-25-2011, 02:54 AM
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You realize you're trading Scott HARTNELL, not Scott GLENNIE right?
Maybe he meant Hartnell's BEARD scores 20+ goals a game?

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Gagne:30 yrs old and knowing he still had several more yrs of playing in the nhl ahead of him.Playing for a team he enjoyed playing for,in a city he enjoyed living in .If no trade went down,Gagne would not have been unhappy to remain a Flyer.

Nabokov:36 yrs old and has indicated he wants to play for a cup contender only at this point in his career.Contracted to play for a lottery team he doesn't want to play for,a team that has missed the playoffs 4 straight seasons.There are probably at least 20 other teams(if not more),that Nabokov would rather play for then the rebuilding NYI.At 36,Nabokov will not be trying to "limit the teams he wants to go to and really stick it to Snow and the Isles".He'll be praying Snow can make a deal and get him to a playoff team
All of what you just said lowers Nabby's value, not increases it.

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Maybe he meant Hartnell's BEARD scores 20+ goals a game?
I mean that beard did give them a perfect 82-0 season.

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