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04-25-2011, 11:17 AM
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They??....oh you mean the crappy goaltending....whatever
I'm sorry, did our goaltending situation suddenly change since Carter went out?

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Talk about the fluffers missing the facts, I am just happy to see some that get the reality of the situation:

2010-11
Briere: 34 goals, 34 assts, 68pts in 77 games
Carter: 36 goals, 30 assists, 66pts in 80 games

2009-10
Briere: 26 goals, 27 assists, 53 pts in 75 games
Carter: 33 goals,28 assists, 61pts in 74 games

Now the playoff numbers:

Carter: 13goals, 8assists, 21pts in 45 games
Briere: 40goals, 52assists, 92 pts in 92 games.
What were Briere's stats like when he was Carter's age?

More importantly, though, how's your boy Kesler doing?

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04-25-2011, 11:20 AM
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It could use him, certainly. But this team is not winning or losing without him. When you can say that about one of your best regular season performers it really hits to the core of why moving a position of strength to fill a need in net is priority one during the offseason at this point.
Regular season..yes.

In the playoffs...could use the depth down the middle always especially as you go deeper, faceoffs, PP and defensively when he wants to get involved/play physical. He's obviously capable but for whatever reason gets into a funk (scoring goals..mostly ES which HE says is his role) and injured at the wrong time.

Having said this..thus far the team has shown last year (reg season and playoffs) and so far the last couple of games despite the horrid goaltending..that they can make due without him just fine. However, another injury/suspension to one of our centers and yeah not helpful.

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Talk about the fluffers missing the facts, I am just happy to see some that get the reality of the situation:

2010-11
Briere: 34 goals, 34 assts, 68pts in 77 games
Carter: 36 goals, 30 assists, 66pts in 80 games

2009-10
Briere: 26 goals, 27 assists, 53 pts in 75 games
Carter: 33 goals,28 assists, 61pts in 74 games

Now the playoff numbers:

Carter: 13goals, 8assists, 21pts in 45 games
Briere: 40goals, 52assists, 92 pts in 92 games.
Wow... how do we justify the length of his contract extension? Seriously!

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I'm sorry, did our goaltending situation suddenly change since Carter went out?
I'm sorry but it has crapped the bed...the personnel did not change the performances have fallen off a cliff. I'm not sure what you are frankly arguing

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04-25-2011, 11:25 AM
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What were Briere's stats like when he was Carter's age?
More importantly, though, how's your boy Kesler doing?
Also true!

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04-25-2011, 11:27 AM
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I'm sorry but it has crapped the bed...the personnel did not change the performances have fallen off a cliff. I'm not sure what you are frankly arguing
Yep. Gotta agree with this. Even if Carter was in, how do those 2 really soft goals in game 5 and 3 really soft goals in game 6 not go in? Those come down to the goaltender playing like ****....again.

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04-25-2011, 11:29 AM
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I'm sorry but it has crapped the bed...the personnel did not change the performances have fallen off a cliff. I'm not sure what you are frankly arguing
Carter was around for Game 2.

I'm noting the convenience of your "I find it ironic that they've scored more line..." when the team has also gone 1-2 in Carter's absence, and they were leading the series when he went down. Carter was really strong in Games 1-3 in all areas of the ice, and they've absolutely missed him since he went out.

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Carter was around for Game 2.

I'm noting the convenience of your "I find it ironic that they've scored more line..." when the team has also gone 1-2 in Carter's absence, and they were leading the series when he went down. Carter was really strong in Games 1-3 in all areas of the ice, and they've absolutely missed him since he went out.
No what is convenient and what is not surprising is you completely ignoring the goaltending falling off a cliff. Seriously I'm not even going to bother getting in one of these inane circular arguments with you...it's pretty futile.

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Not beer!!! Not 2 nights before his next game, assuming he plays!! How will he get the alcohol out of his system in time????

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I agree that we could really use Carter back asap. We could have won game 4 if Carter didn't get injured (I think it was game 4), but other than that, goaltending and ****** powerplays (which Carter was a part of) are the only reasons they won game 5. Carter playing wouldn't have impacted the outcome. We would have won had the Flyers goalies not let in soft goals, as they are wont to do.

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Briere at age 26

28 goals 37 assists 65 points

Carter 26
36 goals 33 assists 66 points

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Did someone say Giroux hasn't been great this series? He's greater than PPG!

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No what is convenient and what is not surprising is you completely ignoring the goaltending falling off a cliff. Seriously I'm not even going to bother getting in one of these inane circular arguments with you...it's pretty futile.
Yeah, who is ignoring that?

What is convenient is you using that as a crutch to disparage Carter.

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04-25-2011, 11:52 AM
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Did someone say Giroux hasn't been great this series? He's greater than PPG!
He's been hit and miss, he's been picking up assists... but has been passing up some shooting opportunities, and at other times has tried to stickhandle through the Sabres a bit too much (particularly notable with both him and Briere in Game 1).

He's been very strong the last couple of games.

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04-25-2011, 11:53 AM
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Carter was around for Game 2.

I'm noting the convenience of your "I find it ironic that they've scored more line..." when the team has also gone 1-2 in Carter's absence, and they were leading the series when he went down. Carter was really strong in Games 1-3 in all areas of the ice, and they've absolutely missed him since he went out.
Carter was brutal in game 2, not even close.

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Yeah, who is ignoring that?

What is convenient is you using that as a crutch to disparage Carter.
Yes I'm disparaging Carter..just like Leighton but also making a point that they've produced offensively without him and if it wasn't for the goaltending playing like @ss we would have won even without him. Having said this as I noted up thread we can use him..how much of a difference maker he would be remains to be seen since he's injured again but we seem just fine without him as was the case last year. I think it's worth noting but yes maybe unfair making a dig but I didn't know he was your personal friend...although I know Leighton is not.

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Not beer!!! Not 2 nights before his next game, assuming he plays!! How will he get the alcohol out of his system in time????
It is called priorities. Hated TO, but nothing was going stop him from being in the Soup Bowl in 2004. He slept in the hyperbaric chamber, did everything possible to make sure he was ready come back.

No, do not see that sense of urgency in Jeff Carter, and yes if he does haev an injured knee which is preventing him from being able to play in the playoffs he should not be out in public drinking or anywhere it is possible something could happen to further aggravate the injury. It is not about the alcohol or even that these guys cannot go out, but if he cannot play he should not be out having a beer.

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Carter was brutal in game 2, not even close.
No, he really wasn't. Didn't get on the scoreboard, but he was far from brutal.

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Yes I'm disparaging Carter..just like Leighton but also making a point that they've produced offensively without him and if it wasn't for the goaltending playing like @ss we would have won even without him. Having said this as I noted up thread we can use him..how much of a difference maker he would be remains to be seen since he's injured again but we seem just fine without him as was the case last year. I think it's worth noting but yes maybe unfair making a dig but I didn't know he was your personal friend...although I know Leighton is not.
Yeah... Carter is a personal friend. Bang up point.

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No, he really wasn't. Didn't get on the scoreboard, but he was far from brutal.
He was brutal, and when your best players in the big games do not get on the scoreboard it is now referred to as the anti-Briere moment.

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He was brutal, and when your best players in the big games do not get on the scoreboard it is noew referred to as the anti-Briere moment.
Apparently going out there and registering a +1 is also "brutal". What the hell was Pronger -5 in the SCF last year?

Gimme a break... your complete lack of perspective and bias remain embarrassing.

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Yeah... Carter is a personal friend. Bang up point.
If you play without Carter and get a legit goalie who can make some timely stops this series is over already. Salary for salary, dollar for dollar the value in getting a goalie at this point is more important than the 35 goals during the regular season and the no-show in the playoffs.

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If you play without Carter and get a legit goalie who can make some timely stops this series is over already. Salary for salary, dollar for dollar the value in getting a goalie at this point is more important than the 35 goals during the regular season and the no-show in the playoffs.
So if we'd gotten Bryz everything would have been great?

There are holes in your argument. Not the least of which being that Carter played a huge role in getting us one of our three wins. And was, despite your hatred induced biased analysis, quite good in the other two games he played... doing the majority of the board work for his line.

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Sorry if this was addressed somewhere else, but is Carter out for the remainder of the playoffs? Can't seem to find anything about his injury other then murmurs about torn ligaments. Had no clue if they were true or what was going on. Thanks for any info.

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