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04-25-2011, 05:21 PM
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I'd be surprised if another team wasn't willing to give a shot to Wolski in his contract year at $3.8M, so he should be tradable even if only for a bag of pucks. I trust Sather will not go full-retard and buy him out without at least trying to ship him off first.

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04-25-2011, 05:24 PM
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he is going to stay. Thats my opinion and him going is Staples. Other beat writers do not say its a for sure thing at all
Regardless of whether Staple suggested it or not, it's been a known viable option to free up a lot of cap space while having a minimal impact on the team's offense (since Wolski is so inconsistent).

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04-25-2011, 05:25 PM
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It doesn't really matter if they were "proven" or not, they are both natural goal scorers. Besides, it isn't like they came in without any type of expectations and surprised. Moulson had another 30 goal season, and Tavares improved on an excellent rookie season.

Also, Tavares played 79 games. Far from "out for a while". For fun, Parenteau went 1-0-1, was even, and had 2 PIMS when he was out.

Dubinsky and Parenteau aren't comparable, either. In that Dubinsky is clearly the better player. He's not a liability defensively, or completely useless when he's not scoring like Parenteau. Just ask some Islander fans. A lot of them hate the guy.
If Moulson is a proven 30 goal scorer from doing it two years then Wolski is a proven 30 assist man which is the players I responded to the thread. How many Rangers had 30 assists this year? ONE

Why are we even considering buying this guy out?

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04-25-2011, 05:27 PM
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Ask yourself this, would PAP be a 1st line forward on any team not named the Islanders? The answer is no, he would be a 3rd liner on any team with depth, in which case he's not even sniffing 50 points. His production this season is a reflection of his playing time he was given on the Islanders, he's not seeing those minutes on any competitive teams that don't have the Islanders lack of depth & veteran forwards... Slot him into his natural position on the depth chart of a competitive team, and he a 30-40 point forward.
Couldn't you say the same thing about Dubinsky and the Rangers?

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04-25-2011, 05:29 PM
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Why are we holding onto the oh so consistent Dubinsky then?

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04-25-2011, 05:29 PM
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Both players were far from proven coming into this NHL season. Can't say he rode those guys like they were great great players. Tavares also was out for a while with injury.

So Dubinsky had a great year putting up those same numbers but Pappy was just ok? One more point he would have led our team in scoring.
Dubinsky is better on the defensive side of the puck by a large margin. Dubinsky is a puck protecting machine, while PAP loses the puck rather easily. Dubinsky can play very well along the boards, PAP can't. Etc.

12 of PAP's assist were from Tavares' goals.
12 of PAP's goals were from Tavares' passes.

10 more of his assists included he and Tavares as either the primary or secondary assister.

Dubinsky only had 2 minutes more of TOI/G which is nothing.

Put simply, PAPs played first line minutes because the Isles had no one else who could, and he benefitted from a breakout season from Tavares.

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04-25-2011, 05:31 PM
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Dude, take off the Wolski blinders. Dubinsky provides more on a shift by shift basis then Wolski. Is Dubinsky ever a healthy scratch? No.

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04-25-2011, 05:33 PM
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Said it at the time, even though everyone else was going crazy about the trade. This was a bad trade. Team was flying with the mix we had, although we had to deal with the injuries at the moment. Rozy was one of our defensemen who could actually pass the puck out of the back end instead of just throwing it up the boards.

Instead, we were stuck watching Gilroy and McCabe out there on our 3rd pairing when it could have been someone like Rozy.

Wolski was one of our better players during the playoffs but it's clear he doesn't do the little things that Torts wants if he's going to be bought out.

Bad trade...

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04-25-2011, 05:34 PM
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Be consistent when posting about consistency is all i'm saying buddy.

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04-25-2011, 05:37 PM
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Couldn't you say the same thing about Dubinsky and the Rangers?
Uh, no, because Dubinsky is a second line forward playing on the second line.

55 points playing with sophomore Artem Anisimov and sometimes Ryan Callahan is a second liner, coupled with his puck control.

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04-25-2011, 05:39 PM
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I'd be surprised if another team wasn't willing to give a shot to Wolski in his contract year at $3.8M, so he should be tradable even if only for a bag of pucks. I trust Sather will not go full-retard and buy him out without at least trying to ship him off first.
why trade him???


he is only 25. and since he is a good passer, why not try him at center. i believe Wolski was drafted as a center..


he has played center in juniors...

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyo...ki-center.html


there is the proof.


he does have some talent. and id rather have him getting ice time over Christensen

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04-25-2011, 05:40 PM
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He is counted on to create and provide offense which he fails to do on any consistent basis, he says as much post game. If we are going to buy out Wolski for not being consistent why is trading Duby, who isn't signed, just not an option?

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He is counted on to create and provide offense which he fails to do on any consistent basis, he says as much post game. If we are going to buy out Wolski for not being consistent why is trading Duby, who isn't signed, just not an option?
Because he's better than Wolski.

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04-25-2011, 05:42 PM
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Said it at the time, even though everyone else was going crazy about the trade. This was a bad trade. Team was flying with the mix we had, although we had to deal with the injuries at the moment. Rozy was one of our defensemen who could actually pass the puck out of the back end instead of just throwing it up the boards.

Instead, we were stuck watching Gilroy and McCabe out there on our 3rd pairing when it could have been someone like Rozy.

Wolski was one of our better players during the playoffs but it's clear he doesn't do the little things that Torts wants if he's going to be bought out.

Bad trade...
No it was an excellent trade, even if he has to be bought out. You don't think that Sather considered that Wolski is under 26 years old and therefore subject to 1/3 of the cap hit if bought out than 2/3 Roszival would have? Sather damn well knows that stuff. If Wolski played great, you keep him, if not then you saved tons of money. GMs look for other things than their on ice performance, the whole CBA factors into these decisions.

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04-25-2011, 05:44 PM
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Couldn't you say the same thing about Dubinsky and the Rangers?
You dont' see a difference in Dubinsky and PAP's respective games?

-Dubinsky is clearly a more complete player. His offensive abilities coupled with his size/strength and defensive awareness make him a Top 6 forward. Same cannot be said for PAP who is one dimensional and not very responsible at all without the puck... Their games are not comparable.... Dubinsky's production has been a progression from his first year in the league.... How many seasons do you have to judge PAP on? Confident he'll be a perennial 50+ point player again? I'm not.

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Uh, no, because Dubinsky is a second line forward playing on the second line.

55 points playing with sophomore Artem Anisimov and sometimes Ryan Callahan is a second liner, coupled with his puck control.
Agreed....

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Parenteau is also 3 years older than Dubinsky...

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04-25-2011, 05:47 PM
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Because he's better than Wolski.
LOL Thats what you say budd. Too bad the numbers don't agree.

Wolski is one year older and has three 30+ assist seasons, Duby just reached his first BARELY. But yes he is wayyy better because he has JAM. How that JAM work out during the playoffs?

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Parenteau is also 3 years older than Dubinsky...
just because one of the players is older doesnt make that player better



PA is an AHL sniper/Expansion Team player. meaning not a playoff team

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Parenteau is also 3 years older than Dubinsky...
Hey didn't Duby start his career with a pretty good player? Named Jagr. How come he didnt' have a Pappy like year if it's so easy to do playing with great players?

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04-25-2011, 05:50 PM
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I say keep Wolski. He is high risk high return, but he has skill, and this team lacks skill

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why trade him???


he is only 25. and since he is a good passer, why not try him at center. i believe Wolski was drafted as a center..


he has played center in juniors...

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyo...ki-center.html


there is the proof.


he does have some talent. and id rather have him getting ice time over Christensen
He's this off-season's Zherdev. I agree that we should keep him for one more year.

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LOL Thats what you say budd. Too bad the numbers don't agree.

Wolski is one year older and has three 30+ assist seasons, Duby just reached his first BARELY. But yes he is wayyy better because he has JAM. How that JAM work out during the playoffs?
Are you ****ing for real? Serious? Are you trolling me?

You actually think Wolski is better than Dubinsky? I can't fathom this.

Ask any Coyote or Avalanche fan. They hate Wolski, because he's lazy, ineffective, bad defensively, inconsistent, problematic, and a waste of space. Dubinsky hasn't been traded twice in less than two years, and Dubinsky isn't a regular healthy scratch.

You also discount Dubinsky for reaching that number "barely", yet in his two 30 assist season, he had exactly 30 assists, then an anomaly 42, which he has never come to getting in any of his other seasons. He had a good season in a contract year - what else is new.

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Yeah, PAPsmear for Dubi, equal value.

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just because one of the players is older doesnt make that player better



PA is an AHL sniper/Expansion Team player. meaning not a playoff team
I was using that as an argument against him.

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Hey didn't Duby start his career with a pretty good player? Named Jagr. How come he didnt' have a Pappy like year if it's so easy to do playing with great players?
Dude, do you just go to NHL.com and look at statistical pages? You have no clue what you are talking about.

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Yeah, PAPsmear for Dubi, equal value.
obviously, PAP is the best player to ever grace a NYR jersey

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